“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said.
“First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”
“Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign?” Sanders asked.
“Will they understand the pain and political alienation that tens of millions of Americans are experiencing? Do they have any ideas as to how we can take on the increasingly powerful Oligarchy which has so much economic and political power? Probably not.”
“It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them,” Sanders said in a statement Wednesday. “First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”
Dems 100% sold them out and assumed they’d still vote D as long as a handful of issues were different.
The worse the Republicans got, the worse Dems got. Because they could get away with it and it increased donations.
The thing is it just energizes republicans and depresses Dem turnout.
If the goal is winning elections is a terrible strategy.
If you only care about money and the election is just a grift to you tho, it’s a win/win. The result of the election doesn’t really matter.
There was never really that much risk of Dems losing voters to the Repubs (at least as long as Trump was the R candidate). The real damage came from Dems losing enthusiasm.
This. I just had a very long argument with someone else that completely and utterly failed to grasp this simple concept. Trump ran as the most conservative conservative ever and his base loved him for it. Harris ran as the most conservative liberal ever and her base gritted their teeth and grudgingly trudged to the polls. And then the DNC is shocked and flabbergasted that they didn’t get a better turnout.
The thing that has driven me crazy for so long is this is the situation in America.
There are 70M Americans that will vote Republican and nothing will ever change their minds
There are 70M Americans that will vote Democrat and nothing will ever change their minds
There are a couple million independent undecided voters that everyone goes after
Then there are 100M+ people that sit out the election and no one seems to try to understand what would make them vote. It’s so crazy that we have just decided that there are red states and blue states and that’s how it is. A party that could retain some of either party while activating half the people that sit out would be a force to reckon with.
As the Democratic Party has tried to find some way to win again they have gone after which group? The handful of independents and the 70M republicans that aren’t going to vote for them ever. And the people sitting it out probably aren’t looking for them to shift right, if so they would be republicans.
I think this is a bit naive. Both partys will have done their homework and have a fairly good idea what it is those disenfranchised voters want. The problem is is what they want is at odds with what the party’s big donors want.
Naive is the Democratic party’s current position of favoring those donors over voters.
I understand that they’ve done a cynical calculus and decided to leave those voters on the sidelines. It is a failing strategy that successfully got them billions of dollars and lost the election.
It is not that I do not understand the deeper reason, it is that I reject it as a failure.
The deeper reason is that they believe in a highly hierarachical society in which they have earned the right to be in the top strata. That’s why they chase the big donors. That’s why their calculations will always put themselves and their grip on power above: the basic needs of impoverished Americans; or the lives of innocent civilians getting bombed out of existance; or future generations that will inherit our strung out eco system; and about countless other maladies and evils that beset our tettering civilisation.
They are not leftwing, they are the corporate bulwark against leftwing ideas. They are not big tent, they promulgate a very narrow reading of reality to the benefit of their paymasters.
In this we agree.
The democrats are just the blue colored boot of the oligarchs.
and now the ratchet effect will kick in again:
“See? The people WANT the republicans. That’s why they keep electing republicans. Therefore, if we want to be competitive, we must become more like republicans.”
That is the only lesson they are ever capable of winning. If they win, it’s because they were like the Republicans so they should be more like the Republicans. If they lose, ti’s because they weren’t like the Republicans enough.
The Democratic base, and i say this as someone who willingly voted straight D ticket and has for a long time, keeps trying to kick the football and the Democratic Party keeps yanking it back at the last second. Every time.
To be fair, they should’ve voted Dem, but instead sat out against their own best interest.
The electorate is incredibly fucking stupid.
The strategy made sense to anyone with half a brain. It seems I overestimated the median American, though.
You’re right. Lot of people sat out because of inflation, which was driven by corporate greed, which of course a Republican is not going to address. The electorate needs a fucking education. Prices have stopped climbing aggressively. They’re not going to go back down. Wage growth is the next step, which is another thing a Republican will not address. Americans cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Dems had 3 years and change to address insane profiteering and price gouging that started with COVID “supply chain issues” which was wrapped under the guise of inflation and record profits. Where’s that bill again?
Kamala made 1 mention of a plan to scrutinize this issue and then backed down because of some potential backlash.
There’s education and there’s gaslighting. Your point is the latter.
Remind me again when Biden had a supermajority in Congress?
Edit: That’s what I thought.
Then their job was to be sure we all knew they were not ignoring it even if there was little they could do.
Their job was to demonstrate that they knew what was happening, had a plan to address it, and their plan was being blocked by politicians who had none of that. They didn’t even try and i don’t think they ever really wanted to. Same with Obama bailing out the banks and leaving the regular people with the bill during the financial crash of 2008. (That was in no small part Bush’s fault, but he didn’t even try something different.)
Just didn’t get to responding to this ignorant take.
Dems’ job is go out and get votes by appealing to their voters. The fact that Dems haven’t had a super majority in the decades past as our protections, economy and civil liberties are under attack means that they are absolutely terrible at their jobs and you just made my point for me.
You clearly didn’t think anything through. :-)
Haha it took you this long to come up with this shit take?
Better give yourself a month next time.
Nah, I actually have a life.
You can clearly use one. Maybe leave mommy’s basement once in a while? ;-)
Shut the fuck up Bernie, you’ve spent 8 years corralling the working class into the undemocratic party controlled by the rich. Fuck you, you could have actually tried to start a new party but no, you did your job as a tool of the capitalists to keep people voting against their interests.
What have you read about Bernie that justifies your outrage against him? Because he’s done none of that.
He called for “revolution” only to keep people voting for the Dems instead of building an alternative.
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Hilarious irony, I’m the one trying to build an alternative, you and Bernie are the problem.
I agree that I didn’t agree with him towing the line. But you can’t argue that’s he’s been nothing but a source of good at least at the Senate level and inspiring new progressives
Overall bad because of pulling young people in the Dems.
Saying that Bernie is garbage because he didn’t dismantle the two party system seems a bit extreme. He actually has joined third parties but they didn’t take off. He’s also definitely anti-capitalist.
He actually has joined third parties but they didn’t take off.
Absolute bullshit. He had the ear of the country in recent years, and could have told everyone to support a third party. Instead he funneled them into the undemocratic party.
He’s a socialdemocrat, which is still capitalism but with welfare.
Depends on what definition you use, classically a social Democrat is someone who believes in using democratic means to gradually and peacefully transition from capitalism to socialism. The definition you are using is actually closer to a social liberal but even that isn’t quite right, welfare does not imply a mixed market economy on its own, welfare can exist in a pure laissez fair market economy. Social liberalism is in favor a mixed market economy which is a further step left from simply a regulated market economy with welfare. In a mixed market economy key industries are publicized and owned and operated by the government for the public benefit while allowing for the possibility of private competition as well as an open market economy in other industries and areas.
That’s fair, you’re right. I was pulling my comment from memory of him fighting against de-regulation of corporations, which I consider to be an anti-capitalist stance. But I shouldn’t have conflated the two.
But the billionaires don’t have millions of votes.
They can control the narratives. Democrats haven’t done enough to break the “both sides are the same” narrative, this is a 32 year problem. It breeds apathy and apathy helps autocrats.
Seems that the “big money interests” would be at odds with helping the working class.
Sanders is the OG
Had Trump won in 2020, he’d have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it’s crib by Coronachan.
Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.
Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there’s a full blown scheme to control the government
In 2020 they didn’t know how much they could get away with. They’ve seen the limits now.
Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.
2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3
In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.
2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn’t John Kerry, it’s Carter.
I’ve heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous
2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there’s another 2 if not 3
And you bet your ass they’ll appoint them as young as possible so they’ve got their pocket justices for another 40 or 50 years.
Imagine a time traveller appearing in 2020 and trying to convince everyone they needed to reelect Trump
While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.
Goddamn this hits the exact thing that Democrats really need to learn.
There’s a ton of emotion in this nation. Given:
- The opioid crisis where the people responsible are in perpetual litigation.
- The wars we fought that costed us deaths of young people who had lives ahead of them, and scarred millions more. All so that a few rich asshats could profit.
- The corruption of large companies as they swindle the working class, only to watch legislators continue to profit off of insider trading.
And that’s just to name a few. There’s a ton of emotion in this nation. And Trump, for better or worse, taps into that emotion. The cut and dry democrats, they keep telling us, “The system will work, this time” and you have a public that just screams “well how soon is now then?”
Democrats cannot just keep tapping on the system as it currently stands when the system so obviously doesn’t deliver. There are hungry democrats looking for change to the system to form a more better system that will serve them, and the party just keeps dressing the bones of the long gone bird from days long pass.
Sanders fucking sinks the nail in a single stroke of the hammer on this. And Republicans are using that emotion, that pent up distrust of the system as it is, to move people in their direction. The entire point of this living government is to have a government, to have a system, that matches the people who are alive and having to deal with it. Sanders sees that and cut and dry Democrats keep going “but Trump will ruin the system that doesn’t work for you!!”
Goddamn, one day, they will learn. Democrats will pick up on what Sanders is saying one day. But holy shit, they are going to clearly take an incredibly long and winding road to get there. I don’t agree with where Republicans want to take us. I don’t agree with how Republicans want to get there. But goddamn, we’ve got to hand it to them that they’re actively pointing out the exact same thing the Sanders is pointing out. “Status Quo ain’t going to fucking work anymore.” The sooner the traditional Democrats learn that, the faster they can come back to being relevant.
The single best thing the Dems can do now is take a chapter out of the Republican playbook and obstruct everything, full tilt, no good barred. Inject themselves into everything, all committees, panels, investigations, reviews, etc, and block. See how much Trump can accomplish when the shoe’s on the other foot.
Tbh, unless Wasserman-Schultz and the other imbecilic DNC royalty step down or are made to fuck all the way off somehow, I don’t think the Democratic Party is going to recover from this. And in that case, frankly, they shouldn’t recover. This result is absolutely, unambiguously damning.
Again with this talk about strategy as if any of it is going to matter in 3 months when they start executing people
I mean… I don’t think you’re wrong, but I also think it’s useful to make contingency plans for cases OTHER than the most likely worst-case scenario.
Goddamn, one day, they will learn. Democrats will pick up on what Sanders is saying one day.
In the next government, we’re not having elections thanks to Harris botching it for everyone. The RBG of presidential candidates. Thinking you know best until it’s too late and now we need to plan for the fact you made things worse.
The RBG of presidential candidates.
If holding on too long is RBG’s legacy, then wouldn’t Biden be the RBG of presidential candidates? He held on until after the primaries before dropping out.
Fair enough, point taken.
Democrats have definitely become the elitist party. They parade their rich celebrity friends around to inspire your vote. Can it become more ridiculous?
And you’re saying “billionaire” Donald Trump up on stage with the wealthiest man in the world is somehow more in-touch?
Jesus Christ, get real you guys.
Obviously voters seem to think he’s more in-touch
Intelligence is a bell curve, after all.
Just wait until Ted Cruz switches parties and runs as a dem for President in 2028
Don’t you mean Trump? The literal billionaire who represents the richest man in the world? Weird
Yea but with the republicans you already sorta expect it. Harris pivoted from a really sensible campaign that honestly I think would’ve won, to “look at all these rich people, celebrities and even right-wing warmongers who support me!” - and while I get the point - a dirtbag like Cheney supporting Harris is a sign of how fucked up Trump REALLY is - the message might not have been as clear to everyone.
Rings a bit hollow. Biden stood up for unions, did not interfere with strikes, and always sided with the worker.
The other party… celebrating layoffs, cutting the fat, blocking unions.
So sure, maybe they could be better. But to say they abandoned the American worker, thats a bit of a stretch.
Love Bern, but right now he’s playing Monday morning QB.
My guy, Biden blocked a railroad workers strike because it endangered corporate interests, and he didn’t give them a key piece they were asking for: paid sick leave.
Not trying to be rude, the media cycle buried that result.
The unions got the sick leave, after the media reported the strike ended without it.
It was accomplished a couple weeks later, if I recall correctly.
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
optics matter and he failed to secure that.
I agree, optics matter to the public and media.
The media has sane washed an insane old person, while negatively spinning or outright ignoring any Biden accomplishment.
The fact is, in this system, we’re trying to convince a small group of undecided folks in a few swing states to get involved and make a choice.
The majority of the public is too tired and busy to bother to review the facts, and happy to watch an opinion of the matter - whether it’s true or not.
If it fits into their world-view there’s no need to challenge it.
No, that undecided group does not exist, this election clearly demonstrated that. Trump results are nearly identical to 2020. What exists are people who are not engaged or disalusioned. They also are poor and going to vote is a meaningful event that takes energy that they don’t have.
Yeah, you’re acting in bad faith here too.
The numbers of votes clearly show over 24 million people sat out 2024 vs 2020.
Undecided doesn’t mean they’ll make a decision on voting day.
I know of several people who willingly sat out because the state they’re in was always decided and they didn’t feel it would matter.
You just said exactly what I said while also saying im acting in bad faith.
4, not the 7 they wanted or deserved. he doesn’t get any credit for this. he broke the strike weakening their position.
That’s how contract negotiations work dumbass
😂 hard to negotiate with a gun to your head via the government.
I’m partially agreeing, I want to point out that they did get 7 days allotted.
Not all 7 of those are from sick time, so you’ve got a point.
I find it a reach to say the administration gets no credit when it’s definitely been assigned to them on multiple fronts for the effort.
Congress was involved here too. Do you think our president should be a despot?
Were you directly involved in negotiations?
The people who were directly involved, gave the Biden administration credit for an assist.
Dig deeper the people who gave credit were the same members who didn’t support the strike in the first place. iirc.
I blame everyone involved who voted to break the strike. don’t try to assert for me things I havent asserted.
So you don’t acknowledge when you’re wrong, and will continue to move goalposts. You’re taking a defensive posture.
It’s becoming clear now.
You’re a bad faith actor.
You’re of course welcome to continue believing that. Thats of course your prerogative. But I’m just going to point to the results since they speak for themselves.
Harris is missing 20million votes. You were warned and decided that arguing with me about the lesser evil ‘optimal voting strategy’ than realizing the danger harris was putting you in was a good idea. 👍 Good job. Now go convince those 20million other individuals since you’ve failed here.
You know what they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink. (I know you struggle with analogies, you’re the 🐴)
That’s some nonsense from Bernie. Unions have fared better under Biden than any President for decades, and Bernie knows it. This is posturing image-burnishing for the naive; you think Bernie doesn’t market himself to all the young progressives? Then, when the cameras are off, he turns into a garden-variety Democrat, voting solidly with this elitist-run party every time, without pouting and making protest votes or anything like that.
Dems gave up on the working class after nafta and have stayed that way ever since
Not under Biden.
Clinton fucked the party over with NAFTA, and sided with big business. Biden did not: Biden did more for workers and the working class than any other President since FDR.
But he doesn’t get credit for it, because people don’t pay attention. They remember he ordered the railroad workers back to work, and say it proves he’s anti-labor. They didn’t really follow up on the fact that a few weeks later, his administration helped get them the new contract that gave them more paid sick days than they had originally asked for. But the story was long out of the news by then.
I can’t stand idiot liberals who don’t read past headlines and drift with the news wind.
I can’t stand idiot liberals who don’t read past headlines and drift with the news wind.
That describes most voters. Either you find a way to reach them or you lose
That’s a pretty dishonest description of Bernie. I don’t dare to say if your statement about unions is true, and it might as well be, but what Bernie is saying here is that it’s not enough. He’s arguing the democrats need to be more progressive. Feel free to disagree with his suggestion though.
I do think that the bigger problem is that the average person lacks the general understanding of how policies affect their lives. They want simple answers and Trump is giving them that. People are shortsighted and have a hard time grasping the bigger picture, and rather vote based on a gut feeling.
We can disagree about Bernie. I think it’s deeply cynical of him to point the finger he’s pointing.
You are very right about simple answers vs annoying complexity, and this is a systemic problem the Democrats will always face. Being based in reality and choosing to try to solve actual issues instead of simplified strawmen means the Democrats never will have an appealing story to tell, for most folks.
I think what he is getting at is that democrats could be more “aggressive” in how to appeals to the working class people. These subtle policies that have marginal benefit don’t have enough perceived impact.
Democrats could promise something simple and with clear benefits to common folks, something that can be easily understood. People want change. I think Bernie was almost getting there when he was running.
MAGA fans have jumped on the bandwagon of “sticking it to the man”, and “draining the swamp”. Which is kind of what Bernie wants to do but sincerely, with a track record to prove it.
Edit: added “perceived “
The Inflation Reduction Act could hardly be less marginal. It is about as massive a thing that directly helps the working class in this country that the government is capable of doing. Right up there with the ACA which, shock, also brought by Democrats.
The reason the Dems lose is about messaging, and about media fear. Dems have a “we’re all weak so we need each other” message, while the GOP has a “you’re super strong and you’re being held down by the system” message. No need to prove it, and it sounds great to anyone with even a single complaint about anything.
The media fear is about fighting accusations of bias, which the GOP throws around as standard operating procedure. Lie about it all the time and people will accept it as true, and so the media treats the GOP with kid gloves. Pointing out lies gets called bias, instead of reporting the truth. The demands for “Harris to get specific with policy proposals” was a bunch of horseshit, because she was very specific. Trump gave no specifics, answered no questions, and skated on it all.
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Well put.
Bait used to be believable.
Very good bait
I don’t buy this. In Nebraska there was an election between an independent union leader and a career politician. The union leader lost.
The consensus seems to be that people that voted democrat in 2020 voted republican this time because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.
don’t worry, we’ll replay that record again in a year while they blame biden again
The consensus seems to be that people that voted democrat in 2020 voted republican this time because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.
What consensus is saying this? Outside of Latino men and first time voters shifting to Trump, most analysis (so far) is that the Democrats lost around 10-15 million votes from 2020, compared to Trump losing only 2 million. If all the Dems/Undecideds moved to Trump, he would have not lost voters.
What was the Red vs Blue turnout in Nebraska in 2020 vs 2024, I bet that would go a long way to explain why the union leader lost.
Agreed. That “consensus” is another bs talking point to cover up that they yet again alienated their own voters to appease their masters.
First of all, it is hard to beat career politicians. They have a track record, experience. Second, you’re in Nebraska. Third, and most importantly, the goal is not for a single person to win, but to build a strong organization that will make people’s lives better, and that would over time get more people to vote, because they would understand that it matters.
In other words, big corporate Democrats are mediocre at best, and often much worse than that, so of course people stay home. But if you think they’re the wave of the future, hey, do whatever you like.
First of all, it is hard to beat career politicians.
This counters what Bernie said.
Second, you’re in Nebraska.
I’m not in Nebraska. Just giving one of many examples of politicians that support the working class losing because of the billionaire class.
Third, and most importantly, the goal is not for a single person to win, but to build a strong organization that will make people’s lives better, and that would over time get more people to vote, because they would understand that it matters.
Scapegoating the democrats that tried to tax the billionaire class prevents this from happening.
But if you think they’re the wave of the future, hey, do whatever you like.
I don’t think they’re the wave of the future. I think the billionaire class countered Harris because they didn’t want to be taxed like she laid out in her plans and now people are trying to scapegoat them, ensuring it will be less likely that the next person will try it again. Just like the billionaire class wants.
In Nebraska
Uh, that’s your answer. It’s not a magic incantation to win regardless of the odds, but in a presidential election that’s by default 50/50?
If the problem was that democrats did not support the working class enough then why didn’t the union leader win? This isn’t magic or rocket science. Many people thought democrats were responsible for the high inflation because they don’t know macro economics.
If the problem was that democrats did not support the working class enough then why didn’t the union leader win?
He had the albatross of a poor up-ballot candidate around his neck. Same reason most Democrats lost: The party didn’t get people to go out and vote because they didn’t appeal to workers, which hurt every candidate that wasn’t Republican.
Voters are literally saying it was because of inflation during Biden presidency.
Democrats lost because they planned to tax the billionaire class so the billionaires funded the campaign against them.
Except Democrats outspent Republicans by a large margin. This wasn’t an election lost from a lack of donations.
Donations are on the books. Things like Elon Musk buying votes are not on the books. The billionaire class did not want Harris to tax them.
I think what’s missing is the anger. Trump can tap into anger. Bernie could also. The independent didn’t have the base of anger that the GOP did
Anger definitely motivated some but I know many moderates that were convinced democrats were responsible for the inflation.
But they were right! Dems did contribute to inflation (not as much as Trump but still)…Student loan forgiveness not explicitly tied to higher taxes on rich and corps, cutting back on subsidies to defense, oil, and corn syrup, while also not breaking up monopolies which create an environment of price gouging gave merit to the “democrats give out free cash and devalue it all”
Democrats did cause inflation. They did it by not clipping the wings of our oligarchs when supplying aid.
Biden kept his promise “nothing will fundamentally change” and the American electorate unimpeachably rejected it.
The main thing with Sanders campaign was it didn’t feel like a “democrats” vs “republicans”
It was us vs the billionaires
But the DNC could never bear to alienate their biggest donors.
Biden was calling out price gouging throughout his whole presidency.
Harris lost this election because she said she was going to tax the billionaires and so they funded the campaign against her.
For you to throw her under the bus after the billionaires campaigned against her is just going to ensure no future politicians will challenge the billionaire class again.
Harris had more billionaire donors than Trump and she out-raised him almost by $700 million. Of course there was plenty of dark money floating around and Musk dropped a ton of money into Pennsylvania, but don’t act as if Biden and Harris were working class darlings. Calling out price gouging is all good and well, and realistically, there’s only so much the president can do legally to combat inflation, but he did have the bully pulpit and a little bit of lip service to price gouging was not enough obviously. He could’ve been out there daily essentially doxing these companies and their ceos putting the fear of God in them.
Populism is a dirty word to the establishment, but both Trump and Bernie are populists. In fact, the first part of their message is essentially the same: America is going to shit, the Economy is terrible, and you’re getting fucked. The difference, of course, is that Trump points the finger at immigrants and others as the reason why this happening, while Bernie points the finger at the Oligarchs. The true power of populism is the threat of using the majority against the minority. It’s why it can lead to violence and mob rule.
People want someone to pay for the pain they are feeling, Trump is doing that, although of course it’s completely misguided and fucked up. The Democrats are not willing to do that. At some point, they’re going to need a Teddy Roosevelt like figure who comes along and essentially says to them, “hey listen I know it’s crazy, but if we don’t do something about the wealth inequality and the ruling class, we’re all gonna get our heads chopped off.”
It’s not a magic incantation to win regardless of the odds
Sorry, I guess I should have said this twice. You don’t win Nebraska just by touching up the progressive message a little. Propaganda still exists, party loyalty still exists, racism still exists. But he did a hell of a lot better than any slow and steady liberal candidate would do. And in races that aren’t in deep red states, doing better is enough to win.
Why are you still here? The election is over, you got what you wanted. Just fucking leave.
Fuck off.
because they experienced inflation under Biden that think it was his fault.
yeah, that’s problem all around the world, people are too dumb to understand how two years of covid and ongoing war in europe affects our lives and demand that someone just takes care of it.
so in a year we will get populist pro-russian billionaire prime minister who will just start dropping more inflation money around and tells people “see? i will take care of you!” (while stealing some of these money for himself, of course)
And Harris was too stupid to just come out and say that she’d do that. Not Trump though. See that huge sign behind him at rallies? “Trump will fix it”.
The dem strategy should have been to bombast like Trump, but more. Make America greatER. Would have really taken the wind or of his sails, IMO.
yeah, i don’t think that trying to out-idiot an idiot is valid strategy, especially if you don’t aim at stupid voters.
They need to swing for the fences more. Don’t just bring forward the items that might pass, bring up the bills that really matter, again and again, and put that in an ad. I’m probably more politically in-tuned than most voters (clearly) and I only know of ONE vote to raise the minimum wage during Bidens term. It should’ve been a dozen votes and then Dems get to say they were fighting for the working class while the GOP gets paid to show up and say “No” to everything.
Are you referring to the upcoming lame duck session? Because Dems have a couple of months to try that, and then it looks like the openly fascist GOP is going to control all three branches of our federal government.
Yeah I forget who said it but I remember a commentator in 2016 complaining that Democrats seemed afraid to get out their and really be Democrats. But TBH I felt like Kamala was doing that.
That party of the Roosevelt is gone since the Clintons showed up. It’s market-based solutions organization nothing. If you don’t like it, you can forfeit your tax rebate
Bernie Sanders is talking that shit.
Almost like he could have saved this whole scenario in 2016. Fuckin DNC kiss the ring Hillary bullshit.
At this point I’d be in favor of him just starting a podcast and enjoying retirement. The left has to go around the DNC to effectively deliver their message, it’s foolish to think otherwise.
The dnc should all fall on their sword politically and admit that it would been better today had they given being their blessing and support when it would have mattered.
Then give Bernie power in the dnc to craft the future of the party. Find a new direction while there’s still time
He’s 83. It’s best for him to leverage his celebrity than to really hunker down with an administrative role. If Trump can find true believers best believe the good guys can.
It’s cute to read all of these comments attempting to strategize without realizing that it’s all moot in a P2025 world.
We are fucked. It’s too late to discuss realigning for “the next election,” because there will never be a (fair) one ever again.
You are demoralized, i get it
Yeah. I am. What is your point?
If you or anyone else thinks what I’m saying is hyperbolic, then I want you to remember this exchange in 6 to 12 months.
If germany is an ally today the US then its never too late to keep fighting.
But you are absolutely entitled to feel like its pointless. Its not true, one might even say there has never been a fair election since the creation of the electoral college.
To say there will never be another fair election is hyperbolic.
I’ve probably got another 35 years, 67 more if im really lucky, you will have to give me more than 6 to 12 months.
I genuinely hope this doesnt cause a new civil war or worldwar. But im not willing to bet it isnt a precipice that has just been driven past, im waiting for a fall
I’ve probably got another 35 years, 67 more if im really lucky
That seems like a really big spread. I’ve probably got another 30, but nowhere near 60 even if I"m really lucky, unless I’m like “statistical outlier” lucky.
You do know what had to happen to Germany for it to become what it is after WW2, right?
It was basically destroyed, and the allies rebuilt it. That shit ain’t happening again.
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If only he did it in the first place instead of campaigning for them
Why isn’t he running for president? Or he just never won the primaries?
Snubbed by Dnc royalty wanting to play it safe.
Because the dnc would rather lose running center right to right wing policies than be actually progressive.
In related news:
In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders. Even former Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid admitted in July 2016, “I knew—everybody knew—that this was not a fair deal.”
Lmao you just know that last sentence in the article was inserted in there by a salty editor
