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    He threatens women because he’s terrified of them. Legit just listen to him talk about women and you’ll understand why he shit his pants the first time he saw one up close.

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    “We need to eradicate Jewish stranglehold over the United States of America. … We will win, because unlike our opposition, we are willing to die for what we believe in … We’re in a holy war and I will tell you this. Because we’re willing to die in the holy war, we will make them die in the holy war. And they will go down.” - Nick Fuentes

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    The funny thing is Fuentes attacked the 57 year old 5’1" woman with a little bitty pepper spray that didn’t really hurt the woman that much.

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    I hate Nick Fuentes and his content, but her story is suspicious. I find it very strange that she took it upon herself to learn where his house is, go there, and try to talk to the guy. If the roles were reversed, a MAGA supporter showing up at a liberal public figure’s home, I think people would interpret it as harassment.

    That said, I don’t understand how this was a legal use of pepper spray. If she really only said “hello” and did not try to advance into the house, then I don’t think he could reasonably argue he felt threatened with bodily harm in any way.

    That’s an issue for court to decide though. I imagine the truth lies in the full video.

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      It turns out in America it’s surprisingly easy to get away with pepper spraying people. There’s a weird YouTube rabbit hole of “free speech auditors” who go around doing things they’re legally allowed to do but are shitty to get reactions. They escalate things until they pepper spray the person they’re aggravating. Even in their own videos cops show up and basically just shrug. I think the logic is that since it doesn’t cause any long term damage that a lawyer can pretty easily argue it was a “reasonable force”

      Short answer: I’d be surprised if he suffers any consequences from this

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        Other than to his reputation as an “alpha male”. And in his “business” that loss may well cost him his livelihood.

        We live in hope.

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        I know that—I have pepper spray for self defense for that very reason, along with other weapons.

        The issue is that you have to feel reasonably threatened still. For a gun, the bar is serious harm, and for pepper spray it can be a much milder threat such as approaching or violent words.

        I just don’t see how “hello” is threatening before a verbal order to leave the property. That’s why I think the video is important—her attitude and stance will make a huge difference in how justified the response was.

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      Learning where his house is would take no effort as he’s been so thoroughly doxxed even I saw his address and I’m basically that meme of the old lady peering at the screen through my granny-glasses.

      A perfect alpha male, frightened to death at a woman saying “Hello” while he’s still in the safety of his house. Compare that to the women who ovary up and keep going while they’re being catcalled, or make the potentially life-threatening decision to say either yes or no to a strange man in a bar.

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        Looking up his address and going there could be premeditation for harassment or harm depending on how the series of events at the door transpired. It doesn’t matter if he is an alpha male or if she is in a wheelchair, it is reasonable to think that a stranger who has come to your home to confront you over internet posts may mean you harm.

        That said, I don’t think he was justified in deploying pepper spray without at least verbally ordering her to leave the property. If he did that and she stayed though…then there isn’t going to be much legal defense available to her in many states.

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          A stranger looking up your, not publicly displayed, home adress and then showing up at your door, for whatever reason they think they have, is beyond suspicious.

          Whatever happened after that is a different matter ofcourse.

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            But it’s ok when Jehovah’s Witnesses, Evangelicals, politicians, and whatever other canvassers do it? So does that mean I can legally just pepper spray them?

            Important caveat: I’m a white male

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              Y’know, it’s dangerous out there. Maybe you should just start mag dumping through the front door whenever the doorbell rings or a robin farts.

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      I want to give all women tazers so they can scream “Your nuts my volts” while the “alpha male” squirms on the ground

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        I won’t be shedding any tears for the guy who started the “your body, my choice” meme.

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        Stop trying to police language.

        Jokes need only to be judged on if they’re funny, or not.

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            Impressive.

            Only one of those words is actually English, and you still managed to use it incorrectly.

            Unless it was an extremely misplaced and subtle nod to Alanis Morissette.

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              Nah it wasn’t. Although I really should listen to more of her stuff.

              Seriously though, what is the deal with trying to stop others from doing the exact same thing that you are doing by speaking in the imperative form?

              It’s a comment section after all.

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          If the only difference between you and them is who is in the in group and the out group, you might not be so different after all.

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            Yes, I am extremely frustrated with the level of tolerance people grant fascists. They should have been crushed a decade ago. Do people not learn from the Weimar Republic.

            Anyone who advocates against other people’s human rights, should lose the right to their own.

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              You and I are on such vastly different platforms that you’re one of the few people I don’t think I can find any common ground with. Whereas I agree one’s own qualified rights end where others rights begin, I consider basic human rights to be absolute, and certainly not influenced by whatever political views you do or don’t share.

              By extension, the abstracted opinion of “I think it’s funny that <a group of people I don’t like> <experiences something terrible>” is borderline fascism in itself, and your position is cancerous to any anti-fascist movement you’re involved in.

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                I’m not the person you’re replying to, but if you aren’t familiar, Nick Fuentes believes (in his own words) the following:

                “We need to eradicate Jewish stranglehold over the United States of America. … We will win, because unlike our opposition, we are willing to die for what we believe in … We’re in a holy war and I will tell you this. Because we’re willing to die in the holy war, we will make them die in the holy war. And they will go down.”

                This isn’t <a group of people I don’t like> this is <a group of people who support the rape, murder, and genocide of people they don’t like>. Nick Fuentes is a literal crypto-fascist. Fascists are owed zero tolerance, and the use of hyperbole to shock or scare them (or scare others away from falling in with them) is a valid tactic.

                Oi Polloi - Bash The Fash

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                  Thanks for your reply, I appreciate your insight.

                  We still disagree, but I genuinely appreciate the additional context you have to offer. I’m not wholly altruistic, I think Fuentes is a massive piece of human garbage.

                  But, he is human - and with that, is his right to human rights.

                  I don’t like him as much as the next person and that is an entirely subjective opinion, but levelling the same kind of hatred and lack of compassion effectively makes you no better than fanny balls Fuentes is. It’s a dangerously small leap from <I don’t like what this person stands for> and therefore sanctioning sexual assault, to <they don’t like what I stand for> and therefore sanctioning sexual assault.

                  I suspect we’re on the same broad page, but our means are vastly different.

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            Many of us heard it back in 2016, but the media ran a smear campaign when we attempted to identify that we were life long liberals who could no longer support this sort of insanity, by tying the term “alt-right” to actual Nazis.

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              Thanks for taking the time to reply, but:

              Many of us heard it back in 2016, but the media

              I lost interest after this. Someone’s talking about normalising the sexual assault of a group of people - as likeable or dislikeable as they may be - and all I can see is some “I told you so” word salad?

              I’m sorry if I’ve picked you up wrong, but I’m happy to be corrected.

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        I read it as a jail thing. His body in jail because of their (jury) choice.

        But now I realize it was probably rape.

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    Please do not go to his fucking house.

    He’s a piece of shit - don’t go to jail for him.

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      Do not go to his house in Berwyn, IL. You will not be able to find it on Google maps because it’s the only house on the block that’s blurred out.

      Absolutely do not go to his house at all hours of the day and night. Do not look out for cops when you dont go to his house. Do not legally knock on his door.

      And most of all, DO NOT make him feel the same fear that his words have brought to so many women.

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          Don’t walk around the block, using public sidewalks that would evade trespassing. That would look like prey being circled and the resident of Berwyn IL doesn’t want to be nervous. Crowds saying one name circling the block would be too much for them!

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          Do not leave letters in the neighbors’ mailboxes informing them that a neo Nazi lives by them. Do not elaborate on his history of violent rhetoric. Do not do anything that would make him feel like an outcast in his neighborhood.

          Do not print this information along with his name, address, and photo and give it to every store, restaurant, and fast food place in a 20 mile radius. Especially avoid letting the underpaid staff know about any of this. We DO NOT want him to receive poor service wherever he goes. It would be BAD if he was scared to leave the house. It would be EVEN WORSE if his GrubHub driver crushed or shook his meal. I would HATE to hear that his address got blacklisted for delivery.

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            Your house. My map.

            Yeah, I’d imagine it’s the most searched address this week across all mapping platforms. The guy wanted to be famous - guess he is now.

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    Rose said online that she told an officer she’d been assaulted and the cop said, “Well, you went to his door.”

    Clearly the rule of law is dead now.

    “Nobody should be turning up at any bodies [sic] house uninvited,” Tate posted Monday. “Harassment.”

    These idiots somehow think that assaulting and robbing someone who rings their doorbell is the appropriate thing to do.

    The alt-right reaction is never the right reaction.

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      Remember that cops have no duty to protect. Every time you see a cop protecting a nazi, that cop chose to protect that nazi.

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        Well of course, otherwise who’s gonna protect him when it’s his turn to wear the white robe instead of the blue shirt?

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        Cops have a duty to protect capital. Which, in this situation, means the relatively wealthy (ostensibly, or at least passing as) white, man.

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      But with just enough narrative spin aka “journalistical freedomses” this poor man is being persecuted for exercising free speech. The radical feminist left has harassed this man for simply using his constitutional rights. /s

      No pearl left unclutched.

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    “‘Nobody should be turning up at any bodies [sic] house uninvited,’ Tate posted Monday. ‘Harassment.’”

    Interesting. I believe that not only do people have a right to show up to Nazi’s houses, but also have a duty to [REDACTED].

    /j

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      What if she was just there to sell dick pills, like any normal patriotic American? I can’t believe one would need an invite to sell dick pills! Surely, Mr Tate, that can’t be harassment, can it?