Green politicians from across Europe on Friday called on U.S. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein to withdraw from the race for the White House and endorse Democrat Kamala Harris instead.
“We are clear that Kamala Harris is the only candidate who can block Donald Trump and his anti-democratic, authoritarian policies from the White House,” Green parties from countries including Germany, France, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Ireland, Estonia, Belgium, Spain, Poland and Ukraine said in a statement, which was shared with POLITICO ahead of publication
Good. I was apart of the Green Party, I left when I learned they were planning of running a candidate this year, when internally, we were floating around the idea of NOT running a candidate.
That’s interesting insider info. Was the reason for not fielding a candidate because of this particular issue (splitting the vote)?
Can’t say exactly, it was just floated around, I’m guessing it was for that specific reason, but that was around the time I was thinking of leaving for other reasons, they are VERY unorganized as a party and it really, really bothered me. The way smaller Transhumanist Party seems more organized than the Green Party.
IDK if I really want to know but I can imagine a mid-to-far-left party like the greens would have a lot of disparity in the views of members.
Probably because running a presidential candidate is a waste of money unless your intent is to split the vote.
Start local, gain influence, work your way up.
Edit - to those downvoting, the Green Party literally has zero representation, even at the State level. And you want to jump straight to POTUS. Riiight.
Get one state senate seat. Get one House of Representatives seat. Get some kind of representation. Then you have a bargaining chip.
The threat of splitting the vote is a good reason to run, if you feel like your position isn’t being taken seriously enough AND that it’s important enough that everything else is worth losing.
The problem is that the majority of the Democrats are on board with green initiatives. The only holdup on the $10T program before was Manchin. She has now pivoted RCV, or more specifically destroying the duopoly because they are the enemy for “reasons”.
Also, she’s said that she wouldn’t pull out even if the Dems gave her what she wanted. So it doesn’t really work as a threat either.
Eh, threatening to split the vote might in theory get some campaign promises, but such promises are likely to evaporate when things get down to it.
Meanwhile if you actually hold a persistent presence in the house or senate, particularly when it’s close, you got ongoing leverage. Hell, folks like AOC, MTG, Boebert have an absurd amount of national influence for being elected by merely a singular district.
Why would ylu believe a rando on a forum post re: insider info?
Why would you assume I just believe them outright? I just said it was interesting and asked a follow up question to get more info.
Fair enough, cary on warning remains for others. :)
Stein should shove off to fucking Moscow.
Haha they must be new to this, Jill Stein isn’t running for president, she is running to split the vote like they paid her to.
Of course they know that. They’re saying this to make exactly this point. While the average US voter will be entirely unaware of and oblivious to what some pinkos from cheese eating surrender monkey land say, potential green voters just might take notice.
If they haven’t already, they won’t.
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How do you do, savage from the colonies?
I don’t like that phrase because it was used a lot by the american right when france refused to support them in the Iraq war and by far right figures in the UK during Brexit.
Of course. The way it was used here was to make fun of exactly those people.
If I recall correctly it originally started as something said by Willie in the simpsons but then a lot of people started saying it in real life to insult people based on nationality which is kinda fucked up and was condemned as xenophobic.
Fun fact: if jill wasnt on the ballot harris still wouldn’t have received my vote. Harris losing votes has nothing to do with jill being there. Harris’ struggles are purely her own fault, propaganda from Russia only works if there is a edge to grab, the only reason there is an edge to grab is because harris has decided to treat arab Americans absolutely horribly this entire campaign.
Learn to focus your energy properly: on changing Harris’ mind not the voters for whom preventing a genocide is important. Trust me it’ll be easier.
Who would have recieved your vote, if only Trump and Harris were on the ballot?
in my state? it would have been left empty. you know thats an option right. you can say ‘none of these’.
In that case, your voice is meaningless so you should just shut your mouth and let the adults continue to vote.
smile let me know when the actual adults show up. Because right now all i see are murderous children.
So you would not vote?
Do you understand how ballots work? They have more than one position on them. Yes id pass this election if there were not a single candidate with the moral grounding to not support a genocide.
But there are two even! Makes it pretty easy. Esp since there is 0 risk of my state going trump. If only the rest of the country was as correctly grounded that harris would be the greater evil.
Get it now? Been fucking telling you dunces in every post: in my state harris is literally the greater evil choice because trump isnt even on the map when it comes to viability. Its pretty nice, and you could have it to just by withholding support for candidates who support genocide. Not supporting a genocide is kind of a prior to having empathy which, i hope i dont need to explain why, is a really good quality for a politician to have. And harris doesnt. Withholding support its key to be explicit, does not necessarily mean withholding your vote as i did. It means speaking out, as i am, engaging others. And if its safe for you to do so with holding your vote.
I’m responding to your other, much more coherent response.
You’re not saying “none of these”, as it will ultimately still be one of them, more accurately you’re saying: “I’ll take either equally”
Incorrect. Did you ever learn about the monty hall problem? You seem to struggle with applying priors to a situation.
In my state the prior is: trump isnt even a blip of a possibility. We’re talking 0.00001% not a blip. Not gonna happen. Harris is literally the greater evil in my state. Go through my history.
Its going to suck in a few days if harris loses because you nits thought that throwing labor, arabs and other minorities under the proverbial bus was a winning strategy.
I don’t know about all that, I just enjoy logic. I’m replying to you saying “I’d choose not to vote”, that is not the same as saying “none of the above”, it’s the same as saying “any of the above”
and you’d be wrong. shrug you’re essentially saying anyone who doesn’t vote doesn’t have an preference. which is trivially incorrect. ask felons if they have a preference. ask teenagers.
if the prior is ‘harris will win’ me not voting for her isn’t a statement of ‘either’ its a statement of ‘I don’t need to support her shittiness’ you don’t get to assert what my preferences are certainly.
Oh! Oh I’ve seen this one in another thread!
“I wouldn’t vote for either of them.”
That’s not an option in this exercise, you have to pick one or the other.
“I don’t see why I’d have to choose. I pick neither.”
Again, that wasn’t the question. Harris or Trump are the only acceptable answers. If you have to choose one, which would it be?
That’s how the exchange generally went. It shone a really nice spotlight on the ridiculous mindset at play.
I’m waiting for jatone to chime in. Humans aren’t good at logic problems, especially real world ones where they don’t have to follow instructions. Ever try giving a logic puzzle to a 6 year old and they answer “well I wouldn’t do either of those things I’d buy an airplane and use a laser gun and then…”
That’s what this stuff is. While I understand the desperate need to reform the system, you don’t do that by throwing the game. I know how unlikely it is to change their minds (and they already voted) but others reading this who aren’t as bull-headed might take half a second to re-evaluate the actual outcomes available from the actions to be taken. That’s the hope anyways.
Good on you for remaining hopeful! In cases like this, though, the ignorance is willful. They know how absurd they’re acting. Once the conversation goes past the point of their ability to just be obstinate, they abruptly cease responding.
And that lack of response will be another data point for anyone reading this in the future.
We all know who they’d vote for
Hey look! you were right! I would choose neither. false dichotomy are not interesting questions. You’ll learn nothing from them since you know, they don’t represent reality. but in such a situation where only harris and trump were on the table. harris of course. but since that isn’t the case, and my vote in no way endangers the country to trump, but does allow me to point my reps and say ‘that could be my vote for you next cycle’ which I absolutely have done. my 3rd party vote is providing more value for my reps to push back on harris when they need to. particularly in defense of ms khan and gaza.
You’re either a Russian agent, or a useful idiot. EITHER WAY, your opinion is worthless when it comes to American politics, so kindly skitter back under the rocks from which you came.
And you struggle with understanding how to apply contextual information to a situation and clearly come to the wrong conclusions. Either way Ill gladly be her with my bullhorn making you uncomfortable with the sad truth you’re enabling a genocide.
What do you mean when you say “my vote in no way endangers the country to Trump”?
Exactly what i said. Trumpet isnt even a blip of a possibility in my state. We’re talking 0.000001%. its pretty nice here we do good work.
Harris is the greater evil in my voting scenario. Its going to be very unfortunate if she loses this week to trump because the rank and file couldn’t be bothered to pressure her over something as little as not genociding but ug here we are.
I mean she has larger issues as a candidate but explaining those is 1000x harder than ‘genocide bad mmmmkay?’ and even that message is struggling to get through because trumpet has managed to make everyone absolutely insane.
I agree with a lot of what you just said there.
Just not your conclusion.
Does your vote not count in the national “popular vote” for some reason? With a race this … Whatever this is, don’t you think you’d want to give every possible advantage to the person that CAN defeat Trump? Especially somewhere that she is likely to win, aren’t you concerned many like-minded people will make the same mistake you are/did?
That’s kinda the playbook here. Each of you individually thinks “Harris will win this in my riding, so I’m allowed to be special and vote for a third party so I can feel good about myself!”
It’s literally why everyone is asking Jill to fuck off. She won’t leach any Trump supporters from him. But she will leach people like you from Harris.
It’s just selfish.
Jill has a snowball’s chance in hell of winning and if you think voting for her helps the “Arabs” you are wrong. It cancels out your voice because Jill is not a viable candidate. Your vote has been effectively split.
Your choices, like it or not, are Harris or Trump. So let’s break this down since you seem to think a vote for Harris is worse than not voting.
Kamala Harris has prioritized a ceasefire in Gaza, advocating for Israel’s right to respond to Hamas attacks while emphasizing civilian protection and addressing humanitarian needs. Harris’s approach focuses on a three-part plan for Gaza’s future: reconstruction, enhanced Palestinian Authority security, and governance reforms to stabilize the area post-conflict. Harris, however, does not support an arms embargo on Israel but has backed withholding specific weapons amid Israel’s military operations in Gaza. She views a two-state solution as a path toward long-term stability, but she stresses that immediate efforts should be humanitarian and diplomatic to prevent civilian harm and prepare for a sustainable resolution.
Donald Trump, in contrast, has heavily criticized ceasefire calls as limiting Israel’s ability to eliminate Hamas, framing his support as “unconditional” for Israel’s military objectives. Trump argues that his policies would have prevented the escalation of violence, asserting that Hamas’s attack on Israel would not have occurred if he were in office. While he has expressed skepticism about a two-state solution, Trump is more focused on empowering Israel to pursue military action without restriction. Trump has also suggested that his approach would involve exerting pressure on Israeli leadership if necessary to secure what he describes as a “final resolution” to the conflict, though specifics remain vague. Trump’s campaign has used pro-Israel rhetoric to appeal to voters and has signaled a hardline stance against Hamas.
So, I am sure your voting for the lady who can’t win as opposed to the lady who can win will help the “Arabs” you seem to care so much about. Good on you for picking a hill to die on though, I hope you like it because you and your people are about to die on it.
Try not to tell me what my choices for president are, my ballot clearly listed them.
- Harris / Waltz
- Trump / Vance
- Cornel West
- Jill
- Claudia
Now fun fact: my state is 30+ dem. I can vote for whoever I chose at 0 risk of trump getting those electoral votes. And I happily exercised that this election rather than vote for a candidate with is hostile to not only labor, but apparently is quite happy enabling a genocide.
Now if I was in a different state would I behave differently? absolutely. but I’m not, many people are in the same position as i am. harris lost my vote and I had 0 compelling reasons to give her a hand based on her words and deeds. She was a bad candidate in 2020, and shes a bad candidate today. try to focus on the issues that actually matter. my critters know why I handed jill the ticket.
If you want harris to win instead of trying to wow me with your inane rambling about my voting options spend your effort on getting harris to see reason before she blows it in 3 days.
Bless your heart, you have a good day now.
next time try not to be an asshole to people pushing for good changes and respect people have different options than you. but given your response, thats probably impossible for an asshole like yourself. bless your heart.
Lol, you can’t counter bless your heart with bless your heart that’s not how it works.
Just because I told you you were wrong does not make me an asshole or disrespectful of your opinion. Jill Stien is a vote splitter, that’s the original point. No 3rd party candidate has any chance of winning in any state and a vote for one splits the vote. Your condescending response and personal attacks don’t change that.
Look, I am just happy you are voting and if you hadn’t been condescending I would have talked more with you about it. I wish I lived in a state where I could throw my vote away in a form of futile protest but I dont, and there is a lot we could continue to argue about that point, but you decided to call my thought-out rebuttal “inane rambling” and then prove my point by stating that if you didn’t live in a solidly blue state you would feel differently. So instead of engaging further, I gave you a bless your heart and walked away.
I am bored though so here I am engaged in the most noble of futile endeavors arguing with stupid on the internet…Fun fact, that’s me being an asshole.
😂 bless your heart.
European Greens have always hated the US party. This may seem like politically aligned people asking a fellow traveler to stop but it’s not.
If she didn’t her Votes wouldn’t go to Harris lol. If people don’t want to Vote Dem they aren’t going vote Dem. Harris has had all the time in the world to put effort into courting voters the same way she did Republicans. I plan on voting Third Party only for future elections. I want nothing to do with people who excuse genocide and link up with Dick Cheney.
Sheesh, you’re a bit late, folks. Besides, Stein is in the race specifically for the purpose of helping Trump win, so she wouldn’t listen to them anyway.
a post I made earlier:
If Harris loses California, New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Hawaii, Vermont, DC, or Maine-1 because of vote-splitting by Stein, it will be Harris’s fault. If you’re voting in these states, you might as well vote your heart.
The Green party isn’t a party worth anyone’s heart. It’s all a big grift funded by conservatives that only puts any effort into the scammy presidential run. I don’t want more of that, I want progressives that challenge moderate Democrats in safe seats to give people a real option to move left.
I’m in Hawaii, and we’re solid blue but last election the Greens had a whole of 2 candidates across the entire state. Some random party I’d never heard of had more candidates on the ballot. My state rep won with something like 2000 votes, no Green challenger in sight. If the Greens were a real party they’d jump on that opportunity. A little sweat and door knocking can pull off 2000 votes. Hell, we have Ed fucking Case in Congress. I’d kill to vote against him, but my only other option is a MAGA conspiracy theorist.
The GPUSA isn’t a real party.
See this is your issue assuming we give a shit about jill or the green party. 😂
We dont. it was just a convenient box to tick because harris’ campaign tried to remove her from the ballot, and fed their bullhorns the line about splitting the ticket. The vote would still have been cast for a different third party candidate unless Harris’ position was corrected. It wasnt so the box gets ticked away.
Learn to properly focus your political energy: its much easier to get harris to flip than getting a million voters who have morals to flip.
So unless you want what is happening in gaza: learn to lie to your politicians.
- Tell them you’ll vote third party over x.
- Follow through if you’re in a deep blue state.
- Hedge your bet by voting Democrats down ballot.
- Always lie to pollsters about your intent for any given candidate. The less reliable polls are the better. Means your letters to your politicians are more important.
Are you saying that if Stein dropped out, her supporters would have voted for De la Cruz?
possibly. cruz is a little bit too nutty. might have also left the presidential ticket empty. I probably would have gone the latter route. jill was just amusing due to the harris campaign trying to get her rejected from ballots.
Learn to read:
The Green party isn’t a party worth anyone’s heart.
You don’t counter this with “we don’t really care about the Green party”. Go repeat your argument somewhere that makes sense. I don’t care about the 5D chess you think you’re playing.
I’m sorry you made an assumption about what jill stein represents to people like me who checked that box knowing full well who she is, what she represents and that it made your entire argument fall flat. 🤷
Its not my fault you don’t get why harris is a shit candidate. we’ve been warning you for months now. thats why harris is struggling. not because of anything jill has done. I certainly didn’t make the democrats try to ban jill from ballots. now she just represents a convenient protest vote. if harris loses in the next 5ish days after the ballots finish being counted, well it certainly will be unfortunate. I’m 🤞 she doesn’t but we tried to get her to change her policies before it was too late.
wp:2020 United States presidential election in Hawaii#Results
Howard Gresham Hawkins III[1][2] (born December 8, 1952) is an American trade unionist, environmental activist, and perennial candidate from New York. A co-founder of the Green Party of the United States, Hawkins was the party’s presidential nominee in the 2020 presidential election. His ideological platform includes enacting an eco-socialist version of the Green New Deal—which he first proposed in 2010—and building a viable, independent working-class political and social movement in opposition to the country’s two major political parties, and capitalism in general.[3]
wp:2024 United States presidential election in Hawaii#Results
Apparently RFK, Jr isn’t on the Hawaiian ballot, though your state has write-ins.
slim pickings here:
wp:2024 United States House of Representatives elections in Hawaii
however,
wp:2020 United States House of Representatives elections in Hawaii#Results 2
Aloha ʻĀina
Jonathan Hoomanawanui
6453 votes
2.37%
The Aloha ʻĀina Party (Hawaiian for “love of the land”) is a political party in the US state of Hawaiʻi that advocates for the Hawaiian sovereignty movement and the promotion of Native Hawaiian culture.[1][2]
Why on earth would you feel compelled to educate me about my local politics by pulling up some wiki pages and then refusing to even format your message? And why the fuck would anything in this post indicate RFK might be someone to vote for? The theoretical appeal of the Greens is progressivism, not the unfortunate antivax shit that’s glommed onto it.
And Aloha Aina is the local party I had never heard of before seeing them on the ballot, which may sound good to you because you know nothing about Hawaii, but is something in the vague realm between nutjob sovereign citizen types and conservatives that can’t bear to be Republicans due to history.
(my bold)
Why on earth would you feel compelled to educate me about my local politics by pulling up some wiki pages and then refusing to even format your message?
and,
And Aloha Aina is the local party I had never heard of before seeing them on the ballot,
TIL
And why the fuck would anything in this post indicate RFK might be someone to vote for?
I don’t know, but it might be saying something about ballot acess laws in Hawaiʻi.
The theoretical appeal of the Greens is progressivism, not the unfortunate antivax shit that’s glommed onto it.
fair enough.
And Aloha Aina is the local party I had never heard of before seeing them on the ballot, which may sound good to you because you know nothing about Hawaii, but is something in the vague realm between nutjob sovereign citizen types and conservatives that can’t bear to be Republicans due to history.
according to WP:
According to its website, the Aloha ʻĀina party advocates for a sovereign Hawaiʻi through the framework of hoʻoponopono (“making right what is wrong”), believing the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom to have been an unjust act. It also promotes other Hawaiian values such as Mālama ʻĀina (“taking care of the land”) and Aloha Kānaka (“love and care for the people”).[2]
Dude, I live here. I looked them up when I saw them and read the same dumb statements you’re copypasting from Wikipedia. Which, surprise surprise, is not the whole fucking story. You don’t live here and don’t know anything about the politics here, so stop relaying useless wiki text.
The fuck…?
lolbruh. she takes her orders from putin.
Why can’t a Democrat with a lot of money ask her what it would cost
Cuz Putin can outbid all democratic politicians put together
This notion is probably the must infuriating thing. A foreign head of state can use cash to influence our election overtly with no criminal charge for those involved.
Thank you Republicans and Clarence Thomas specifically.
Maybe you should have been more vocals when america was doing it to half of the known world.
Enjoy the consequences of your own action lmao. Yeltsin / Putin clan have been put there by bill clinton.
It’s so messed up.
That would be against the entire purpose of her campaign.
Havent they pretty much admitted that shes running cause republicans have paid for her campaign, to try and split votes from democrats?
Too late. Ballots printed.
Response from Jill: Can you outbid Putin?
Well as an euro I’m not voting for the greens lmao
These idiots have allied with the right more time than not.
Jill Stein is funded by Russia. Every multicellular organism knows this by now.
Yup, even my friend Fred the Fungi was just yapping about this, told me to follow the money.
You’d be suprised. My partner is very tuned in to politics and watches Hasan near daily, reads news, talks with me and her friends but casually mentioned she would be voting for Stein instead of Harris. I very quickly pulled up the Putin dinner party pic and a handful of articles explaining the various connections. It all totally flabbergasted her and she decided on Harris despite her, very legitimate, reservations over genocide. Realistically we’re in a very blue state that will safely go Harris so it wouldn’t matter, but I’m certain other people will still fall into the same trap.
any proof ? and are we to ignore the dnc has significant funding from aipac to enable them to murder kids with our tax money ?
They looked in the mirror and Kamala bribed by AIPAC. Then they project that onto others.
GEnOcIdE!!! Whatabout!!!
It will ve a nice place when you all leave by tuesday.
Oh wait, maybe you’ll be back whining about voter fraud
Nah I hope harris win.
And then I hope we bomb new york.
We did it to belgrade when they did genocide, so. Just the law, really. No offense
So edgy
I’m not an expert but bombs are usually pretty smooth
Its not what about to mention harris’ policy position on gaza its extremely relevant to Harris’ campaign in particular to the nonsense being spouted here.
Only one person had to shift to be less of a shit human and that was harris and this issue would have disappeared immediately. Learn to properly focus your energy. To help you with this process let me give you a breakdown of choices you as an individual had:
- Which is easier changing the mind of a politician who has flipped on a number of issues? Or a million individuals in a country of 300?
- Which argument is easier to make? Support a genocide? Or dont support a genocide?
- You should vote? Or you should vote for my particular candidate?
Notice how you’ve decided to pick the harder of literally every single option?
Harris will flip on a dime on gaza if you stop wasting your breath defending her and switch your efforts to criticizing her. No one is asking you to vote for trump. Hell look through my history its always: ‘if you’re in deep blue voting 3rd party is a okay, if you’re purple harris is your best option, but not your only one’
You dont need to be this worked up over harris if she loses to trump its her fault for running a terrible campaign using terrible policy positions. She had an entire year of warning over gaza and she chose to swing right on her policies, alienating a large swath of her base.
This is such a backward comment I don’t know where to start. Tortured logic, the fact that voting 3rd party doesn’t send the specific message you’re looking to send, or perhaps that it’s all Harris’ fault that she lost while ignoring everything about outside election interference including Stein’s ties to Russia and conservatives all in one post. Bonus points for projecting that a large death of her base cares solely about Gaza and would be willing to suffer fascism instead.
Can’t wait until these astroturfing accounts are retired after the election.
Never said it sent a specific message. It sends one message: you didnt get this vote. I sent the specific message weeks ago, daily for 3 weeks to harris, and my local critters. This post is to counteract the nonsense spread about voting for the lesser evil and to give people an option to opt out of supporting harris without endangering a trump win.
The message here for you is: jill stein doesn’t matter. Learn to focus your efforts productively. Its easier to influence one person (harris) than it is a million (people like me).
Please reread my post in particular the 3 decisions your making atm and realize how absolutely useless your efforts will be here. Atm all you’re doing is broadcasting to everyone your okay supporting a genocidal candidate.
Again if Harris loses thats her fault. Not mine, not yours. She chose how her campaign is run, what messages are delivered, etc.
Also please watch this interview. Thinking these accounts are all astroturfing is going to hurt you more than me if harris loses. My state already has legal protections for all the things people are trying to use to defend Harris’ monstrous policy positions. They’re not effective arguments to vote for harris in my deep blue state.
“Take a look at this video, which should convince all of you that trying to convince individuals is a failing effort.”
Do you even read what you post?
The way these people salivate over Trump hurting people who vote for Stein, I think they’re all bloodthirsty enough to want genocide. But keeping fighting the good fight. Just know that if Harris wins, we’ll keep having to pressure her after the election just as if she was Trump, and probably without the help of the rest of these liberals as they go back to brunch and wanting to ignore politics.
EDIT: I’m not voting for Stein myself but I see why people are, and I think their existence is overall good, because it keeps you all and the people in power from getting too comfortable with the fact that we’re doing a genocide.
Just know if Trump wins, you very well might not get that option.
Oh I’m 100% aware I’ll have to keep pressuring her after the election. its annoying as fuck doing the leg work for these dweebs.
I might be more tempted to believe this if I wasn’t regularly accused of the same thing by every Democrat on Lemmy.
Type fast! Before long you’ll have to ship out to the front lines with you NK allies. Planting sunflowers is harder work than typing nonsense from your desk.
I’m not Russian.
You lie.
Nothing to believe. The proof is in front of your eyes. Green Party funding is from Russian sources. Jill loves to have dinners with Putin and the oligarchs.
It holds a little more weight when you’ve been photographed at a formal dinner alongside every single Russian head of state.
But these accusations don’t even make sense.
Why would Putin benefit from having a Russian plant as the presidential candidate of the Green Party? Does he mistakenly think the Green Party has some influence in American politics?
And how could he known his plant would be selected by the party as their presidential candidate? Is he psychic? Is the entire Green Party comprised of Russian plants?
If his goal was for the Greens to be a spoiler for the Dems, surely they’d be just as much of a spoiler no matter who their candidate was. In fact, without Stein, they could probably find a better candidate and be more of a spoiler.
I’m not worried about Stein being a Russian plant because it literally would make no difference to anything.
Why would Putin benefit from having a Russian plant as the presidential candidate of the Green Party? Does he mistakenly think the Green Party has some influence in American politics?
They aren’t intended to win, they’re intended to do exactly what they’re doing - selecting particular wedge issues to split the Democrat vote and give them a lower total percentage vs Republicans, the other main player. In this case the Green Party was originally set up to champion environmental issues, hence their name, but have also been a convenient shunt for the Israel/Palestine situation and Harris’ percieved refusal to budge on such.
Everyone involved knows that a third party has no realistic chance of victory in the US, so setting up a third-party honeypot to gather passionate far-left voters away from the Democrat vote is a potent power move for the Republican party. Every percent point lost by the Democrats is one gained for the Republicans, even if the point doesn’t go to them. With margins as thin as they usually are, this is significant. Putin in particular cares about this because Trump is vocally friendly towards him and Democrats and their voters are not.
And how could he known his plant would be selected by the party as their presidential candidate? Is he psychic? Is the entire Green Party comprised of Russian plants?
I can’t find proof of this with a cursory web search, but it’s suspected that the entire Green Party is primarily funded via Russian interests. If nothing else it is known factually that Jill Stein has attended at least one private dinner with Russian heads of state and has appeared on Russian state media propaganda quite a lot. I doubt the entire party is a Russian op but significant portions of its leadership including candidate Stein are pretty clearly compromised.
If his goal was for the Greens to be a spoiler for the Dems, surely they’d be just as much of a spoiler no matter who their candidate was. In fact, without Stein, they could probably find a better candidate and be more of a spoiler.
Personally I feel that Stein may just be more who they got rather than who they wanted, and this may be where the plan is starting to fall apart. A truly passionate, honest far-left firecracker candidate probably would be an excellent spoiler, and pull many honest far-left votes, but they also wouldn’t be susceptible to foreign influence. They’re choosing to take the bird in the hand, rather than two in the bush, and Stein is who they’ve got that they can control.
At the end of the day Putin has a very clear motive to help Trump win his election at all costs and the leadership of the Green Party has been shown to have been in close contact with Moscow. It may not matter materially whether or not she is a Russian plant at this time. But it does matter because it is yet another avenue for hostile foreign interference with our election.
They aren’t intended to win, they’re intended to do exactly what they’re doing - selecting particular wedge issues to split the Democrat vote and give them a lower total percentage vs Republicans
But surely that would happen even if someone else like Cornel West was the Greens leader.
All Putin achieves by (somehow) installing his plant as the Greens presidential candidate is lowering the Greens’ vote share by preventing them from getting the most charismatic and effective candidate.
If Putin really did subvert the Greens’ selection mechanism and install a less popular candidate with limited appeal, the Democrats should be thanking him.
Yarp, and still voted for her because harris is that bad and hasnt shifted at on key issues that actually relate to the role of president. Like supporting labor (kahn, no strike busting, etc) and follwing the law with respect to weapon sales/delivery.
Focus your energy on getting harris to move, its a lot easier than getting people like me to move; we actually have moral values, harris doesnt. Though at this point its unlikely there are many hold outs waiting for her. Cast my ballot a week ago. Good luck in your efforts! Im rooting for you 🤷
“My moral values allow me to vote against my best interests and the welfare of anyone who doesn’t align with the christofascist right. I have such a difficult time with concepts like “logical thinking” and “cause and effect” that I can rationalize such a terrible decision and even pretend that I’m the solution!”
against my best interest? my best interests are in trump not winning. which is assured in my state. its not necessarily harris winning. so my best interests are in assuring there is enough pressure on harris post election and part of that is making sure my critters know votes will be lost for them in the future for israel.
As predicted, rationalization.
Mmm yes people explaining their reasoning is so horrible. :) its almost like you cant justify shit and only have pithy lesser evil nonsense to justify your support for a shit candidate. 🤷
First step to not having lesser evil candidates: dont support genocides. Wild i know. Maybe you should try it?
At least you are not worried about all the extra people in the world that will get hurt by your reactionary stance leading to a trump presidency. If you can’t have your way, let the world burn… Gotcha.
In this case you either vote against actual fascism or risk it taking over.
If you can’t have your way, let the world burn… Gotcha.
That is literally the rationale for lots of people. I’ve heard it spoken verbatim, and heck, when I was young and stupid, I said it myself. It’ll hasten the collapse and move us more quickly toward a glorious new future!
trump isn’t winning my state; can’t do much more to help you there mate. I’m sorry harris is running such a shit campaign she’s struggling against fucking trump.
but threats need to be backed up by action or they’re toothless, just look at how netanyahu has ignored biden.
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Is it hard to type with Putin’s dick in your mouth?
No
no, why would it be his cock is so tiny it doesn’t obstruct my view of the screen at all. poor thing.
