• Intergalactic@lemmy.world
    413·
    20 days ago

    Good. I was a part of the Green Party, I left when I learned they were planning of running a candidate this year, when internally, we were floating around the idea of NOT running a candidate. I am now a member of the Working Families Party.

    • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      727·
      20 days ago

      I was talking about intentional spoiler candidate for Trump whom Republicans are scrambling to get on as many ballots as possible Jill Stein, but maybe we’re talking about the same person here.

      • index@sh.itjust.works
        711·
        20 days ago

        A nation that sent his troops on an invasion without boots and helmets controls ¾ of the candidates of the most powerful and advanced nation in the world that spend 10 times as much money in war and propaganda than everyone else, that has thousand military facilities around the globe, that has the biggest mass surveillance network ever seen in history with satellites capable of snooping at every inch of the planet at any given time.

        That’s what you are saying.

    • mos@lemmy.worldEnglish
      61·
      20 days ago

      I see these comments a lot and I’d like to learn more. Do you have any articles on this?

      • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
        394·
        20 days ago

        Well, start here at a dinner she attended in Moscow in late 2015:

        Years later, after Trump was elected, she claimed it was just perfunctory, with no real interaction with Putin. She also claims she received no payment for being there, although we know Flynn received 45k from Putin for his attendance.

        Then there is this from 2016 about Russian efforts to divert Clinton voters to stein. She also received intense press coverage by RT, Russians propaganda TV station, that was not banned in the US at the time.

        Here she is refusing to call Putin a war criminal, a stance she suddenly recanted days later.

        Here is evidence she is currently working with the GOP.

        • index@sh.itjust.works
          523·
          20 days ago

          According to the lesser evil logic receiving money from putin is still less evil than being a fascist or being supporting a genocide.

          • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
            134·
            20 days ago

            Coordinating directly with Putin, the oligarch dictator of Russia, who is currently engaged in a genocide in Ukraine, to elect Trump, a US presidential candidate that has told Israel it “needs to finish the job,” a person whose son in law has said gaza is “excellent beach front property,” and who hid the number of drone strikes and their casualties caused during his admin, is the lesser evil?

            I’d call the above stupid, not its far to disingenuous to be an actual real perspective.

            • index@sh.itjust.works
              520·
              20 days ago

              Like it or not that still lesser evil than being a fascist who said israel “needs to finish the job” or being actively fueling a genocide by sending israel fascist government “whatever it needs”.

              Lesser evil logic, you vote for the lesser evil.

              • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
                143·
                20 days ago

                This is nonsense.

                FPTP voting means there are 2 viable options only. If you don’t vote for the “lesser evil,” you are voting for the “greater evil.”

                Choosing to not make a choice is still a choice. Voting for “not Harris” is the exact same thing as voting for “yes Trump” in our system.

                You’re voting for the greater evil by voting for Jill Stein, which is exactly what her and her partners Putin and Trump want.

  • 2ugly2live@lemmy.world
    193·
    20 days ago

    Damn, even people in other countries seem to understand what’s going on. I guess they don’t see both sides as the same for some reason. 🤔

  • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    64·
    20 days ago

    The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout ‘SAVE US!’…and I’ll look down and whisper 'No.

    -Jill Stein, probably

  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
    929·
    19 days ago

    Stein pulling out wouldn’t result in more votes for Harris. It would just make more people stay home. I think they’re more worried about greens hitting the 5% national threshold.

    Stop assuming these votes are stolen from Harris. She hasn’t earned them.

    • dance_ninja@lemmy.world
      41·
      19 days ago

      You’re right. If they weren’t going to vote for Harris, to me it sounds like they’re perfectly fine with another Trump presidency and the decades of consequences that would follow.

    • Hylactor@sopuli.xyz
      53·
      19 days ago

      Say you need a life saving operation. Your choices are: a skilled surgeon who is suspected to have cheated on their spouse, George Clooney from the hit TV show ER, or a mediocre at best veterinarian. This is essentially the state of things. A qualified person, a fictional character, and a person who is tangentially qualified at best.

      The country needs a life saving operation. Harris is extremely qualified candidate who at worst carries some of the murky ethical baggage of any career politician. Trump is not only unqualified, but uniquely contraindicated (vindictive, foreign debts, exceedingly old, litany of bonafide legal issues, unrepentant rapist). And Stein is at best a politician shaped object, who is perhaps qualified enough to be a pundit or a podcast host.

      For the safety of people of color, for women, for the environment, for the rule of law, for diplomacy, for the economy, there is only one pragmatic choice, and that choice is Harris.

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
        26·
        19 days ago

        Nothing in Harris’ record shows she’s qualified. She’s done a measurably shit job in every position she’s been in.

        • Hylactor@sopuli.xyz
          62·
          18 days ago

          Really, nothing at all qualifies her? Not her 6 years as an attorney general? Or her 4 years as a senator? Her 3 years as vice president? She’s better educated, has a better resume, doesn’t have 30 something felonies, and isn’t 78 years old. We already tried Trump as president once and America survived by the skin of our teeth. And he has not improved as a candidate in any way in the intervening 4 years.

          • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
            1·
            18 days ago

            The horrible shit she did while working those positions hurts her more than it helps. Trump’s problems don’t erase that.

            She’s also openly declaring her intent to commit a felony when in office, by arming a genocide, which is one of the worst crimes a human being can possibly commit.

            • Hylactor@sopuli.xyz
              11·
              18 days ago

              You’re using some pretty high flying rhetoric for someone who isn’t citing any specifics. Which “horrible shit” are you most concerned with? The 20 billion dollar settlement she won for people with foreclosed homes? The 1.1 billion dollar settlement she won for defrauded students and veterans? The tie breaking votes she cast in the Senate, more than anyone in history, that helped pass among other things the 1.9 trillion dollar covid 19 stimulus, and the inflation reduction act, which generated 115 billion in tech investments and generated an estimated 95 thousand new jobs? Her explicit opposition to the death penalty? Her work against hate crimes? Her defense of the LGBTQ community? She is capable, intelligent, and proven.

              • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
                2·
                18 days ago

                Between her fighting to keep arming a genocide, fighting to withhold evidence that would’ve cleared defendants, and other crimes she’s committed in office, I think it’s clear that either way this goes we’re getting a president who does not believe they have to obey the law.

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
      72·
      19 days ago

      She hasn’t earned them.

      The binary choice and the risks of failure have been mentioned so many times, that I worry for people who don’t get it.

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
        22·
        19 days ago

        Both candidates support genocide. A binary choice would be an improvement from what we have now.

        • Hylactor@sopuli.xyz
          1·
          18 days ago

          At best, one candidate doesn’t do enough to oppose genocide, while the other candidate offers their full throated support, advising that Isreal “just finish the job”. We’re not looking for a perfect candidate, we’re looking for the best candidate. And there is absolutely a candidate with a better track record of compassion, and a likelier chance of fighting the fire rather than fueling it in exchange for political favors.

          • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
            1·
            18 days ago

            Either way, you’re supporting a criminal. I don’t think it’s expecting a lot asking a politician to follow the law.

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
        1·
        18 days ago

        I suspect they’re acting as controlled opposition to absorb activist energies. They’re openly shepherding activist voters to a capitalist party in this action.

        • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          1·
          18 days ago

          Wasn’t aware there was an anti-capitalist candidate running, but that’s beside the point. Why do you accuse other countries’ parties of controlled opposition? This doesn’t make any sense. Are you saying they’re propping up Kamala. Many European greens are more left than Stein

          • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
            1·
            18 days ago

            Yes, unfortunately the corruption of US capitalists spreads its tendrils across the globe.

            There are multiple anti-capitalist candidates running this election. But US media is completely corrupted, and gives them almost zero coverage. But kinda weird you said you didn’t know there’s any running, while commenting on an article about one of them.

            • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              1·
              18 days ago

              Most of her policies seem to be social democratic. And I find the suggestion that European politics are nothing but a US puppetshow pretty insulting.

              • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
                1·
                18 days ago

                K. Let me know when European countries stop acting as vassal states, and putting their interests after those of the US.

                You’re currently paying exorbitant energy prices, because the US & UK destroyed a critical pipeline, and the only people held accountable were those Europeans calling for an investigation into the terrorism.

  • Linktank@lemmy.today
    414·
    20 days ago

    She’s hurting his chances, so I this is moronic. Mind your own politics you fried bread eaters.

  • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
    23812·
    20 days ago

    Breaking news: people with an actual commitment to environmentalism recognize Jill Stein for the obvious Russian shill and extreme threat to environmentalism she is. More at 11.