- cross-posted to:
- memes@sopuli.xyz
- cross-posted to:
- memes@sopuli.xyz
cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/15795315
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I love these posts because they let me find out which .world users desperately need to be added to my block list.
Lol, ig “egocentric” should be part of the official tankie toolkit, and yes you were tagged a tankie a long time ago.
These posts aren’t for you, they’re for swaying sane .ml users to leave, showing the true colors of .ml to newbies as quickly as possible and to hopefully encourage non-.ml users to avoid posting and commenting on .ml communities
anything you say officer 🫡
Assuming this to be a working strategy (and not a way of swaying new users out of Lemmy in general), what’s the endgame? If everyone you deem “sane” leaves the place, it will just be even worse, a concentrated “tankie” circlejerk, visible to plenty of newbies. Then what?
it will just be even worse, a concentrated “tankie” circlejerk
It’s already a tankie circle jerk over there, you can’t concentrate what’s already concentrated.
visible to plenty of newbies. Then what?
Visible yes, but its a LOT easier to say “Oh yea that’s the tankie instance, they’re small so just block it and move on” rather than
“Oh yea that’s the tankie instance, but they’re also one of the biggest instances, so if you block them you’ll be cutting off a decent chunk of non-tankie content”
So many stories of “I signed up on .ml because it was one of the biggest, then I realized it was full of Tankies and signed up elsewhere” and if there’s stories of that, there’s probably many more where the person just left and never came back because what they saw was a place was full of toxic tankies
For me posts like this just make me embarrassed to be on Lemmy in general. It’s like making a post about how you get upset when you get an email from a Gmail account.
Replace Lemmy with the Internet.
👋 Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
What have I done to you that makes you want me to leave?
You made a comment that you’re ashamed of the platform. If that’s the case, I encourage you to seek out one more suitable.
No I said this post made me embarrassed to be here. The instance fighting is one of the worst aspects of this site.
Okay, if you feel embarrassed do something about it. No one’s going to stop arguing just because you feel embarrassed. Furthermore, the reason people are bashing people on ml is because their collective behavior has been atrocious. Here’s some things you could try:
- Advocate for a culture of better inter-instance conduct between ml and other platforms (this will likely get you ridiculed and if it ever works, it won’t be soon.)
- Get on an instance that isn’t as hostile (highly recommended)
- Leave the platform (this will produce the most immediate and thorough results)
Edit: ah, look at that, the Russians woke up and the downvotes are pouring in.
And look at the responses you get for pointing out that everyone else is acting immature in here too. Yeah Lemmy is an embarrassment.
Yeah. Lemmy was a good idea but I don’t think it’s user base will ever be good enough to make this a pleasant place for good communities to thrive. And it’s not because of tankies or liberals, it’s because of assholes.
When lemmy.ml answer detected:
I like to get them going. I respond with “that’s BS” or “prove it” and they give me a essay
More energy efficient GPT?
Looool xDDD
All tankie users are in .ml, but not all .ml users are tankies.
You should always judge the merit of the comment, not whether or not the person is from .ml. If you see a comment that is pro-CCP or pro-Kremlin from an .ml user, then the point of the meme is valid. But a well-thought, benign, good-faith or wholesome comment from an .ml user should not be dismissed.
Not everyone in a nazi bar is a nazi. Let’s hear them out and give them the benefit of the doubt even though they could go to literally any bar, but keep going to the nazi bar
Based 👌❤️
I used to be on ml when I first joined lemmy because I did know better, now I love my instance.
Except the pro-Russians won’t say they’re pro-Russians.
A lot of Russian propaganda is just sowing FUD.
Here’s a tangentially related comic, as I just read the latter bit of your comment in that tone, (not saying you’re guilty of the same things.)
Basically, because being directly pro-Russia is so see-through, a lot of bad actors merely sow FUD. For one check Davel@lemmy.ml if you want an example. A very polite person who lists links and sources (firehose of falsehood is also a soviet strategy btw).
Dude pretends to be American, talks American politics, but always in line with Russian propaganda, while saying things like “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias” and absolutely refusing to address whether he is pro-Russian or not, despite very clearly having talking points which show he is strongly pro-Russian.
So either he’s an American who fucking loves Soviet culture and larps being Russian, is actively against Ukraine and believes Russia was eight to invade it, so the least patriotic American to ever exist.
OR… (and I believe this to be a tad more likely) he’s actually a lying Russian.
But Russians aren’t known for disinformation and lies, right? Right…?
The admins of ml are tankies and so are a lot of the communities there. The non tankie users are moving away from that instance which increases the tankie concentration.
I think what you are meaning to say is that many tankies can behave like normal people. To take your comment farther, tankies can be anywhere but you will most likely see them coming from I stances like ml and hexbear or fresh accounts on other instances.
Humans really can’t keep their hands out of the tribalism cookie jar.
Bite my shiny metal ass
Reposting my comment from the last .world feud post
Couldn’t care less about lemmy.world. This post has the same energy as people in comment sections publicly announcing they are blocking someone.
Do what you want. No one cares.
If it’s an hour that ends in o’clock, there’s someone on .world screaming about the dang leftists ruining the website.
leftists
Tankies
FIFY
The only leftists I will recognize are liberals
You and your fellow tankies are “authoritarian leftists” and are JUST as bad as the right wing
So yea, leftists are ruining the site, the tankie authoritarian leftists
Posted from Elgin Air Force base
*Eglin
And this is a reference to?
Most addicted city (over 100k visits total) Eglin Air Force Base, when I see someone going out of their way to be a cop about communists on the Internet it just makes me think you must get paid to be one IRL and just can’t shut it off.
Ah, yea no. I have no problems with the idea of communism and like socialism.
However, the “communism” you and your fellow tankies love to spread, is authoritarianism/dictatorship with a communism mask like the CCP or Russia. Along with racism, bigotry and transphobia sprinkled in.
Along with racism, bigotry and transphobia sprinkled in.
Bold words, but I run into way more bigotry and racism while/after posting on .world vs posting in .ml spaces.
Nutomic is a shithead for failing to address his transphobia, if he ever posts in /c/transgender I’ll ban him myself.
authoritarianism/dictatorship with a communism mask like the CCP or Russia.
Russia is not pretending to be communist, wtf are you on? do you mean USSR? if anything I’ve run into way more cutting critiques of existing/historical socialist states among actual communists in these spaces as opposed to carnival barkers with a tenuous grasp on history.
The racism allegations also kind of sound like projection in this context considering on of the main controversies I’ve seen about bans here are for banning people being weirdly racist and choosing to die on the hill of depicting the president of China as a yellow cartoon animal.
… do you really think that the US Air Force is worried about communists on the internet? lmao
I guess it wouldn’t be tankieism without a good persecution fetish, lol. Just like the fundies.
You obviously care lmao
Funny enough, that’s the message of the original scene too. “I don’t think about you at all” is a blatant lie, lmao.
Mostly of being constantly bombarded with .ml harassment instead of useful, funny, or interesting content.
I don’t care about all the politics and shit regarding instances, i just want to use lemmy :(
You are on the wrong instance for that
I like how this comment would work regardless of the instance they’re on
Facts
They’re on the normal regular instance. Political content is mostly propagated through lemmy.world anyway.
Almost entirely .world starting shit and then complaining when they hear something back.
If you block .world you literally lose 90% of politics and political news from the feeds.
woah.
woah?
It’s short for “woke tuah [girl]”
yeah I was echoing the meme. silly joke
woah
Lemmings realizing the devs of lemmy use lemmy.ml
Lemmings realizing one of the devs is literally a teenager having fun by doing whatever he wants instead of complaining about instances
Tankie Toxicity should be called out regardless of background or age. In fact, a teenager should be exposed to the true authoritarianism roots more so so there’s a chance they don’t become permanently part of the tankie cult
Does “be civil” include constantly shitting on huge groups of users just because of the instance they created their account on? There’s a very simple solution for this if you truly believe an entire instance is worthless and it’s called the blocking function, but I suppose that’d stop the joy you get out of loudly complaining about that instance repeatedly.
It’s a meme sub, chill out.
i assume “be civil” just means that you can’t call people “dipshit asshole dumbass idiot” and things akin to that, i.e needless name calling, calling out perceived problems as long as done civilly, or being rude, but in a civil discussed manner, is i think fair game.
i.e. i could call this a stupid post because it covers what should be clearly demonstrated by common moderation history, i.e. these kinds of threads stay around for a while, these kinds of comments tend to stick around, and that’s generally good enough reason to keep moderating as you are, precedent is a very strong thing.
but i couldn’t just call you a dumbass because you should know this, and therefore you must be the most uneducated person in the history of humanity. Because that’s not civil.
Pretty based take… coming from a lemmy.world user. /$
a) Huge groups of users well known to spread the promotion, praise and propaganda of dictatorships and other authoritarian governments, bigotry, racism and transphobia. Even when there are hard facts against them.
b) The Lemmy blocking function isn’t anywhere as good as you think it is. Maybe even by design, the main admin on .ml is also the lead dev of Lemmy after all.
Can you point me to any member of these “huge groups of well known users” spreading bigotry, racism, and transphobia?
First rule of using Lemmy: If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.
“Well known” is so patronizing. It’s like OP is saying “yeah, everyone knows about this, what are you, some kind of loser?”. Another one of those phrases that immediately discredits whatever allegation is to follow.
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I actually didn’t make this meme, I cross posted it from someone else on !memes@sopuli.xyz
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It’s not like it’s a minority of users on .ml doing it that the admins/mods just haven’t brought the ban hammer down on. The admins are part of the problem along with mods cultivate the toxic tankie culture that gets shit on. It’s the non-tankie .ml users who are in the minority, they should have chosen a better crowd to hang with.
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yeah uh, that’s the joke. That’s the obviously implication of the joke here.
That’s like saying that “all murderers are bad” and then me going “well hey don’t you think is a little bit broad of a generalization? And unfair to people who were unfairly charged, or perhaps in inconvenient but justified circumstances?”
You could make the meme say “lemmy.ml tankies running free posting tankie bullshit” but that doesn’t roll as well as “lemmy.ml doing tankie things because lemmy.ml seems to have no problem with tankies existing”
You could make the meme say “lemmy.ml tankies running free posting tankie bullshit” but that doesn’t roll as well as “lemmy.ml doing tankie things because lemmy.ml seems to have no problem with tankies existing”
It did neither of those things though, so that’s irrelevant. It just says it’s a comment.
.world consistently removes memes calling out their own communities. But they leave up any “meme” bashing .ml
As does ml. Worse even. But the fact that both do is a defense of neither. So I’m not sure why you even bring it up. Be better. World isn’t tied to any particular political ideology. Ml 100% is. And if you mention absolute documented facts. You can and will be banned from there. Because the facts go against the narratives. World has its problems. But I haven’t seen anything approaching that yet.
But theres a difference, when a .world mod defends genocide or promotes imperalism you know its ok because its in the name of Western Democracy ™. Tbh .ml and .world are basically in a competition on who can fling the most shit and who can bootlick the hardest.
Instance Filters! Couple of clicks and it’s like they never existed.
If only that were true! That does help a bit, but it acts only as a community mute rather than more like an instance defederation or a user block would. You’ll see ML users brigading posts and random users with the most off the wall takes imaginable - I think bc they get used to the style of moderation inside their echo chamber and so have difficulties leaving it behind. Tbf after the USA elections a lot of that seems to have died down.
Tbf, there are people on ML who I’ve enjoyed conversing with, so it’s not all one way as the meme seems to convey. However, it is quite a noticeable pattern where 9 times out of 10 the comments that are the most batshit insane that I’ve ever seen (and don’t come from hexbear.net or lemmygrad.ml) are from a user on lemmy.ml. Make of that what you will - I used to argue strongly against that, but the weight of continued observation has caused me to switch sides on that argument.
I see where you’re coming from. If they’re not defederated and those posts are going to pop up anyway, then I can control it I see those posts or not. In my experience (same as yours), the vast majority of ml posts aren’t worth reading anyways so why not filter them out?
Yeah it’s not nothing that you can filter the posts from those communities, but it sure would be nice if you could filter the users as well. Which I can do on PieFed, and the Sync and Connect apps (but not the base web UI or apps like Voyager) allow true instance blocking for Lemmy, or Lemmy.cafe, quokk.au, and dubvee.org have all defederated from lemmy.ml (along with hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml).
Even better could be to keep the users but put a label warning that the instance is known for being a bit troll-y 🧌 and crazy - and surely if they wanted they could put labels onto our accounts in return like “warning this user is from the West so is deluded by all the capitalist pig nonsense 🐖 🐷💩🐽, remember that they don’t know the True ML communiist thoughts that only us true believers do”.
And even then I wonder how many of those people actually trolling from ML are simply hexbear alts - several have outright admitted that, citing how their ML account predated their HB one, yet acknowledging all the same the choice to use the ML one after the HB one was defederated with, to continue the same activities that they did before that, translation: no means yes to them. Either way the admins allow it and so really who cares so long as their freedom to speak does not forcibly overwrite my willingness to not have to listen.
Honestly, that’s just sticking your head in the sand. Newcomers aren’t going to have those filters. Their Tankie BS should be called out every time.
Ah yeah. Good old fashioned social media toxicity.
Mixed with some old good internal left fighting.
The taste of success. Surely.
internal left fighting.
I’m talking to people on Lemmy.ml who say things like “Reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias”, “Russia was right to invade Ukraine, it needs to be denazified”, “Uighur genocide is made up”, etc, etc etc, I wouldn’t call that “internal left fighting”
In which things is someone allowed to think differently from the US Democratic party before they are expelled from the left?
And fuck Putin, btw. But there are people with widely diverse points of view on an incredibly amount of matters, that can have common grounds on many other issues. And, at least for me, they’ll need to try harder that just being putin’s useful idiots to be expelled from my definition of what the “left” is.
Especially on a matter as complex as Ukraine war. That I gladly support arming and helping Ukraine, and my country will keep arming and helping Ukraine when USA steps back once Trump sits in the office. But I still understand that is a complex issue and that different points of view are expected. I have mine, which is support for Ukraine. Others may support Russia on this. But as long as we both agree on other issues I won’t deny that. If they support end of capitalism, workers rights, LGBT rights or gender equality we would have common ground on those topics.
But I still understand that is a complex issue and that different points of view are expected. I have mine, which is support for Ukraine.
Russia invaded Ukraine. That’s a war of aggression. Russia is wrong in this. Don’t pretend like it’s a “complex issue” and “we need to listen to both sides”.
No, we don’t. Russia is the aggressor, they’re in the wrong, they need to fuck off from Ukraine and Putin be held responsible in a court of international law. There’s no ifs ands or buts about it.
“We could have common ground…”
Yeah I don’t need to have any common ground with people who actively lie, spread disinformation, undermine legitimate information, deny international crimes, deny genocides, spread values of authoritarian nations.
I don’t even identify with any left-right division but I’m definitely not what you’d call an “enlightened centrist”, because that’s a garbage position for garbage people who are afraid of any sort of confrontation.
About a bit less than a hundred years ago there were discussion like “we need to appease this Hitler fellow, seems awfully mad” “maybe if we don’t protest over him taking the Sudetenland, he’ll calm down?”
Would you be intellectually arguing the merits of Hitler’s invasion of Sudetenland as “a complex issue, you have to consider both sides”?
No. Fuck that. Take a stance.
I have a stance. I did say I support Ukraine. Same I say I’m clearly leftist.
But you don’t need to stop being able to think just because you support a side. You can support a side and still understand the complexity of the issue, and that you are supporting the lesser evil.
I still support Ukraine on this. Mostly because Russia initiated hostilities, and because I think the European Union is a better place to live than Russia. We protect people’s rights better. But it’s a complex issue because there are people in some Ukrainian regions that does not want to be Ukrainian anymore, and that does not want to be forced to move away from Russian influence. And this is clearly a proxy war between two empires.
I have my stance, but I’m not blinded by it.
I don’t need to think “all opinions are equal” to be “able to think”. I don’t need to accept Russians saying they’ve done nothing wrong and to “consider it from their point of view.” Russia broke international law.
It’s not a complex issue.
Oh yeah the old “no there’s definitely people who actually want to be Russians in the parts of Ukraine Russia invaded illegally so they should probably maybe be able to keep those illegally invaded areas.” No. Is there documentation of, say, Ukrainian people voting in Russian elections? That might imply they consider themselves Russians, right? Yes, there is documentation of that.
Occupied Ukraine encouraged to vote in Russian election by armed men
Stop being an apologist to Russia.
Do you understand that by calling me Russian apologists, when I’ve said several times that I support Ukraine, is just making my point?
You see enemies even in your allies.
If we are naming moustached men I remember some paranoid mustache men that also thought everyone was his enemy. How did that feel? Ah?
Last paragraph is just a joke, I don’t actually think you are a stalinist just because you are so radical in your views, but you get me.
You can say you support Ukraine, and still be apologist for Russia. Those aren’t mutually exclusive.
“You are so radical in your views.”
You’re literally an apologist for Russian authoritarianism. You’re spreading the propaganda that occupied Ukrainians actually want to be Russians. That is bullshit that Russia has been spreading for years. It’s not controversial either. You just keep yourself ignorant, and probably didn’t even click on the link I pasted, and definitely didn’t read it. And you have the nerve to talk to me about the “ability to think”?
“Our citizens are very afraid. Of course if Russians with soldiers come to their flat and ask if they’d like to vote for Putin, everyone will say: OK, yes. Because everyone wants to save their life. But it does not mean that our citizens want to support Putin.”
One resident of the Kherson region - the south-eastern part which is occupied by Russian forces - described to the BBC how voting was organised in his village.
We are unable to disclose his name or location due to security concerns.
“Pro-Russian locals visit households with ballot boxes, accompanied by armed military men. If they knock and no one opens, they move on to the next house. They don’t break into houses, but they do visit,” the local resident said.
They added: "This is ridiculous. What kind of election is it when there are two locals - one holding a list of voters and the other a ballot box - and a military man with a machine gun? This isn’t democracy. It’s a comedy show."
Here’s more.
Ukraine war: Russia claims win in occupied Ukraine ‘sham’ referendums
News agencies run by the pro-Kremlin administrations in Donetsk and Luhansk are reporting that up to 99.23% of people voted in favour of joining Russia - a high percentage that would be unusual in a vote of this nature.
Like you can’t… or won’t call bullshit on things like ^ that?
You supposedly being “for Ukraine” doesn’t really matter when you’re touting Russian propaganda, consciously or not.
Doesn’t mean all .ml users are like that.
What happens here is an attack on a wide group based on a very arbitrary characteristic.
It’s not that we’re judging all .ml users. It’s just that any .ml user can be a potential tankie who will defend Putin to his grave, like the admins and mods.
This is reflected in the content on the instance, and what sort of things you’re allowed to post there. Which does influence people using said instance, even if very slightly, and unnoticeably.
I don’t actually agree with the meme, but the humour stems from the fact that it could be true insofar that it’s pretty often that you’ll find shameless tankies wanting to suck Putler off and destroy “western imperialists”.
So I do take comments at their own value, no matter the instance you’re from. But lemmy.ml is almost as shit as lemmygrad.ml
It’s not arbitrary, it’s a picked identity which shares some common features.
love me a classic .ml worthless posting, it’s my favorite.
Lol, 2meirl4meirl
Even though I came from reddit, I approach comments on their own merits and I don’t downvote just for disagreeing with someone.
We are not the same.
