Summary
Senator Mike Rounds (R-SD) introduced the Returning Education to Our States Act, aiming to abolish the U.S. Department of Education, a long-time Republican goal aligned with Trump’s agenda.
The bill proposes redistributing the department’s $200 billion budget and responsibilities to other federal agencies and states, such as shifting federal student loans to the Treasury.
Critics warn this could undermine protections for students with disabilities and marginalized groups.
While the bill faces significant political hurdles, it reflects broader GOP efforts to reduce federal influence over education policy.
Trump (and Republicans) love the poorly educated. This is all part of their plan to keep people stupid so they’re easily manipulated, thus keeping the GOP in power.
This is all part of their plan to keep people stupid
and poor from unplanned pregnancies they don’t want and can’t abort, and future unplanned pregnancies due to lack of contraceptives.
That guy looks like he always beats his wife for enjoying sex.
Republicans, pro-stupid since 1980!
It is what keeps them in power, after all.
Pros/Cons:
-No more student loans
-No more endless IEP reports
-No more standardized education criteria
Thoughts?
I think you already know people thoughts on these.
I thought so, then they voted for Trump. Did they actually want this or did they not know?
IEP is necessary for kids with special needs.
It provides clear and protected guidelines which allow a kid with physical disabilities like being born missing 8 fingers to be allowed something like a tablet to write out essays through dictation rather than be forced to try keep up with children without such challenges in writing said essays with pen and paper when their ability to come up with an answer has nothing to do with their ability to wiggle a writing instrument upon the surface of card stock.
IEP ensure that all children receive a free and appropriate public education in the least restricted way possible. Unless you want kids with special needs just shoved in a special education classroom until their 18, they are absolutely necessary.
As a parent of a child with special needs, all of this scares the crap out of me. The second the department of education is gone so will the enforcement of the IDEA act. And that is the only thing keeping states like the one I live in from providing these services. It is already hard enough to get schools to do what they are supposed to. I’ve had to threaten a lawsuit against ours, and it’s one of the better school districts.
The second they don’t have to provide for these kids they will shove them in the deepest darkest hole and leave them there until they age out.
No (white, straight, christian, able bodied) child left behind.
Ahh, the ate-too-much-lead-as-a-child-mental-illness-party strikes again
Just keep going with that logic and defunding every public service and let them separate every state until they all become 50 small autonomous countries.
Red states are about to find out how much they depend on blue state money.
I’ve seen GOP Voters on a local news app talking about how they can’t wait to see what happens when “California and New York stop asking other states and Big Daddy Government for hand outs!”
And I had to sit down and say “Oh my sweet summer child”
California is the 5th Largest and Most Powerful Economy in the world lol
They want to defund education. I mean put two and two together, they dumbb.
It’s been a fierce debate and position held by some since before the US was even officially anything.
The people who want a less federal power also often forget that the US has, until now, been largely blessed by not having to deal with an outside enemy state on their own same soil for prolonged time. Loose control could mean that becomes a real and actual problem.
Putin would love nothing more than for that to happen.
Honestly, let them. Then all the blue states can form a union while the red states become a balkanized bastion of hatred.
Man why are we fantasizing about this. What’s the reddest state you can think of, Texas? 42% blue. Florida? 43%. Even in ridiculous places like North Dakota, 1/3 of the people voted blue. What happens to them when blue states form their little utopia?
Those who can, move?
They leave those hellholes, to live in better places?
Because its just that simple right? Its not like we’re living paycheck to paycheck already.
It’s not simple, but it’s what people tend to do, globally. They emigrate from hellholes to not he’ll holes.
Because atp, trying to be empathetic isnt worthwhile. Long as I get my meds, surgery, and public restrooms; fuck everyone else. Theyre welcome to move, probably take up the social programs that those states will have to integrate themselves
The problem is that the US is in a fucked up stagnate state, this makes it so the more progressive areas cant improve fast enough and keeps the red states in a place where they are fundamentally incapable of the form required.
Is it better to let the entire country suffer then instead? This whole election has been a series of complicated trolley problems
I hate how accurate this kinda feels 😮💨
Maybe we should try nation-states as an idea?
Taliban has made their country shittier than republicans have made america and god dammit they’re not losing that battle anymore.
Easiest way to keep voters dumb. The GOP relies on people voting against their own best interests.
And we know Trump knows this, as he was recorded years before stating the economy does better under Democrats…
Also remember his first attempt running for President was in 2000, when he said his running mate was going to be Oprah Winfrey. He held events in California, Florida, and Minnesota before dropping out. I believe he talked about 1 or 2 other presidential runs as well, but never had his ducks in a row. So it was about his 4th time attempting to figure it out in 2016, 5th 2020 and now his 6th time running in 2024.
Ok yes I’m concerned about marginalized and disabled students, but I’m mostly concerned about Americans being too damn dumb already
Duh. That’s because :
“The federal Department of Education has never educated a single student, and it’s long past time to end this bureaucratic department that causes more harm than good,” Rounds said
/s
But can they actually be made dumber?
They re-elected the guy who gave the department of education to a member of the Amway (prolific pyramid scheme) family, so honestly I’m not going to say no, but the rich have clearly started tossing industrial excavation tools into the hole we find ourselves in.
10 mins later: Mississippi is introducing a mandated co-op middle and high school. Where students only need to be in class 2 days a week and get hands on experience in desirable fields such as farming/agriculture. You just have to work 2 days a week to make sure you get your credits to get to the next grade!
Don’t read up on “no child left behind” then, it’s been a huge reason a ton of kids are basically illiterate. Our dept of education doesn’t need to be abolished, it needs to be properly funded, so more schools can be built and teachers can be paid more with smaller class sizes.
It’s not funding, we give more money per student than any other country in the world. We just suck at it and nobody gives a fuck except the teachers - no admins, no students, and no parents.
While this is true, the funding is heavily disproportionately handed out…and yea misused. You can see it in schools for the richer neighborhoods and then the poor ones as well.
Are you just repeating what you hear on Fox News? There are lots of reasons to object to NCLB, but lower standards isn’t one of them
Uhh no, I talk with teachers, two of which are family members. The fuck? Just because someone is against a bullshit law doesn’t make them a repub who watches faux news…the hell.
Criticism of nclb is usually the incentive to teach to the test and on punishing schools that need help. Kids may get shortchanged on learning how to think, and on all the material not on the test. However reading is on the test. It’s an attempt to establish standards for reading and to raise them
The issue with the tests is that the funding is tied to the testing. So poorer schools either flub the tests with the kids and not teach them anything or lose funding.
Standardized testing is the dumbest thing on the planet, and it’s even stupider tying it to funding.
I know all about it. 35. So it came into law when I was 11.
Well TBH there needs to be more classes on basic skills… I mean knowing about history is nice, but I would have appreciated more classes on wood working, plumbing, tax preparation, and basic vehicle maintenance.
Then figure out what you want and go to a trade school. Where do you live (state). Even Tennessee will pay for that if you live there. Trade schools were promoted by Obama when he tried to figure out free education. Yet the majority of voters faught it. That isn’t the majority of people, it just means people like you, who want trade school made as an investment for the future was chopped short. But it doesn’t mean it’s over. Talk to your city, , county, state they may have people you can call for assistance. Often times, it’s either the Catholic Church or government. Either doesn’t matter. The Catholics won’t require you to attend church or pledge some shit, they just want to know you fit their wage requirements to help as many people as possible.
Learning basic plumbing shouldn’t require that you become a plumber. Learning basic finances shouldn’t require that you become an economist.
Simple life skills should be the norm in art least high school, but we don’t give a fuck about children in this country.
It shouldn’t have to be in trade school though
So he probably “thinks”: “school did not work for me, why waste money on other having a chance?”
I don’t know the guy in question, but the more likely conservative mindset is “why bother educating the unwashed masses? It’s a waste of resources when we could instead keep them ignorant, under our thumbs, and working in our factories for next to nothing. We’ll just make sure that education is available for people who can pay for it (us).”
well, duh. it’s the natural progression of the gops war on education theyve been waging since the 60s. turns out it’s way easier to get people to vote for you if you master propaganda and refuse to teach people critical thought.
I know it has an potential to cause great harm, but maybe we should get back to intelligence (or even basic reality) tests, and then weight votes proportional to the score.
Just some agree/disagree statements…
The earth is shaped more like a sphere than a disc.
The human beings have never landed on the moon.
The 2020 general election was fair, and without meaningful fraud.
The efficacy of vaccines are well documented, going back over 100 years.
I’m sure we can come up with a lot.
America has a long history of trying to figure out how to make the votes of certain groups fractional of “true” Americans, the whole 3/5ths compromise and all that.
I don’t think we should be trying to introduce modern day versions of that. I’d much rather see voting day be made a federal holiday, and voting become mandatory.
Agreed, but a country half populated by idiot conspiracy nuts and neonazis with disporpotionately large representation is shaping up to be a bad idea.
I agree, but it’s up to those in charge to deem who are the conspiracy nuts and neonazis, right? And that quickly becomes a slippery slope.
The solution isn’t taking votes away, it’s getting more people to vote.
They done great job too. Not only does my mega family now believe that moon landing was faked, but that the earth is flat. Seriously they are getting dumber by the second. All based on where they get their information.
This is the chance for one underpaid government tech worker to delete the wrong folder in the transfer and erase the debt
It makes for a good movie plot, but there are likely backups, etc. that could be recovered fairly easily.
These people are just such pieces of shit. They truly want to destroy this country and give a decisive lead to the likes of China.
Letting states like Texas run rampant with teaching total bullshit like creationism without any restraint whatsoever is going to further down this country and we might as well cede all advances to other countries.
Fine, just murder it already. Sorry we wanted society to have enlightenment. Sorry that got in the way of your insatiable greed.
And religious indoctrination.
Let’s think this through… The US Department of Education’s functions are primarily:
- Establishing policies on federal financial aid for education and distributing as well as monitoring those funds.
- Collecting data on America’s schools and disseminating research.
- Focusing national attention on key educational issues.
- Prohibiting discrimination and ensuring equal access to education.
(Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Education)
Regarding #1, blue states don’t receive nearly as much in financial aid for schools as red states. So abolishing the DOE will reduce the tax burden on citizens living in blue states, at the expense of schools in red states.
Regarding #2, without the DOE compiling this information, it will be up to schools themselves and private research organizations. Badly-performing, severely under-funded schools in red states will, of course, not be able to. Not that they would want to anyway, because without federal assistance, these schools will be in a state of collapse.
Regarding #3, blue states will just focus attention on key educational issues for themselves, while red states focus on fixing their problems by getting bibles into classrooms.
Regarding #4, red states will rapidly descend into systematic discrimination again.
End result: No one will want to hire “graduates” from red states.
This is a self-own of astonishing proportions. The blue states that don’t heavily depend on the DOE will manage, while the educational infrastructure in the red states completely falls apart. And businesses in need of skilled employees who can, y’know, read will recruit primarily in blue states.
And the leopards will roam freely through the streets of MAGA-America, feasting on faces in unprecedented numbers.
As a teacher, I have a really strong aversion to framing this as a simple battle between states.
What you’re talking about may well come to pass, but in reality what it means is that an entire generation of children in poor states – through no fault of their own, but solely because of the geography of their birth – will be woefully undereducated and therefore not competitive in the university admissions process or the job market.
Whatever face-feasting-leopard karma we think the adults who voted for Republicans might deserve, their children should have the right to a proper education rather than be saddled with a legacy of poverty and ignorance. And in your scenario it’s apparently going to be up to the blue states to care enough about these kids to help ensure their rights.
Believe me, I’m not happy about this. It’s a very fatalistic view of times to come. I just don’t see how we stop it at this point. The people voted for this.
We gave power to someone who has explicitly stated that he wants to be a dictator. We don’t have political power anymore, and we never will again. It’s not about relishing in failure, it’s about accepting reality.
Good luck in either the revolution or the collapse, I don’t think we have more than a decade until then.
You describe the already present situation, on a global scale.
I’m waiting, and expecting, in about 10 to 15 years, blue states will start to limit immigration from those states, as the Federal government will have been neutered too much to stop it.
Like the other commenter said, they don’t care about their populous except to remain uneducated and easily controllable, solidifying their conservative control. They’ll bribe the highly educated to come in and lead their industries. Look at any third world country, it’s not their ‘poors’ leading industries, it’s global or foreign experts helping them scrape every drop of wealth from their local communities and environment.
The guy is from South Dakota. You know, the state known for being one of the Dakotas.
I’ve heard it called “the lesser of the Dakotas”
Why would you believe taxes will be reduced? We gave fascists power, they don’t have to negotiate anymore.
Fair point, but since they’re planning to basically obliterate the IRS, who is going to check that you’ve paid your federal taxes?
And the leopards will roam freely through the streets of MAGA-America, feasting on faces in unprecedented numbers.
Yeah, but those that were dumbed down by this system will be more numerous and will vote for qons even harder, dragging all of us down with them.
…abolishing the DOE will reduce the tax burden on citizens living in blue states…
There’s no such thing as a “federal education funding tax” applied to each state to collectively fund education across the whole country.
The IRS will collect the same federal tax that it always has, but Republicans will funnel the former federal public education money to their pet projects: “crisis pregnancy centers,” the military, more tax cuts for billionaires, vouchers for discriminatory private schools, etc.
Therefore the Blue states will get even less federal funding in return for the federal taxes that their economies generate, but by no means will their federal tax burden go down.
