Summary

Ukraine fired US-made ATACMS missiles into Russia’s Bryansk region, marking the first time Ukraine has used these longer-range weapons to strike targets deep inside Russia.

The attack comes after the Biden administration authorized Ukraine to use these weapons against targets inside Russia.

In response, President Putin updated Russia’s nuclear doctrine, labeling aggression from non-nuclear states supported by nuclear powers as a joint attack on Russia.

  • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I wonder what the mental calculus about this is, considering that Biden knows a fucking moron is going to have to handle the fallout

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      Russia says there’s going to be no peace talks without recognizing the new boundaries so, might as well carve out a big part of Russia for the Ukraine

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        Ukraine*. “the Ukraine” is an outdated term coined by people who never recognized Ukraine’s cultural sovereignty

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          “The Ukraine” and “Kiev” were two outdated 80s terms I had to update in my head when the war started.

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            one of my best friends told me in 2020 it hurt her feelings a little when people used the term. not because they hurt her feelings, but because it meant societally, our understanding of her and her family’s struggles came predominantly from people who hated them. it’s worth relearning for the people it effects.

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      I think he know Trump is going to help Russia in every way possible, so he might as well let Ukraine get since more serious hits in now while they can

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        yeah… with ukraine already talking diplomatic peace talks, i think they’re just trying to use the next 60 days to get the best possible terms

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          Pretty sure Zelensky is just trying to keep a lid on Trump and appear high minded to other western governments. Then when Russia’s demands are ridiculous he can point to them and go back to fighting with more support.

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        I think he’s delivering on his promises to the MIC to maximize the money they invested in him before Trump enters office. If he gets us wrapped up in a conflict that requires deployment of US troops, so much the better for the stockholders depending on the Federal Government to get us as involved as possible.

        Trump, while he did it for the wrong reasons, did pull the US military out of foreign wars during his first term. I imagine Raytheon and Boeing and Lockheed definitely do not want that.

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          Trump, while he did it for the wrong reasons, did pull the US military out of foreign wars during his first term.

          Lol, my dude… You do remember he also ended the nuclear agreement with Iran and then assassinated their most idolized military commander?

          The pretext of Israel’s ethnic cleansing is to rope America into a hot war with Iran. Trump is and has always been great for the mic.

          Such a bad take.

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            Lol, my dude… You do remember he also ended the nuclear agreement with Iran and then assassinated their most idolized military commander?

            I recall, yes.

            It feels very odd to watch an American president do correct things for the wrong reasons. It’s much more familiar to watch people like Bush, Obama, and Biden doing the wrong things for reasons that aren’t provided to the public, because the narratives given around US wars are nearly always false.

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              feels very odd to watch an American president do correct things for the wrong reasons.

              Lol, war with Iran… A correct thing?

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                No, I’m referring to getting us out of Afghanistan and Syria specifically.

                But you’ve noted, surely, that the US does largely support war with Iran by funneling WMD’s to Israel, right? Unless you voted Green, you explicitly lent your support to it via your ballot.

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                  No, I’m referring to getting us out of Afghanistan and Syria specifically.

                  Oh yeah, how are the people in those two countries doing now?

                  you’ve noted, surely, that the US does largely support war with Iran by funneling WMD’s to Israel, right?

                  Yeah, it was pretty much guaranteed after the pull out from the nuclear deal…almost like elections have consequences.

                  Unless you voted Green, you explicitly lent your support to it via your ballot.

                  Lol, it’s a two party system. If you voted green you still lent your support to supporting a genocide, just in an incredibly stupid way.

                  We all pay taxes to a government supporting a genocide, some of us just don’t want it to get even worse.

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                    Oh yeah, how are the people in those two countries doing now?

                    I could not care less. I’m more concerned with how people are doing here in the US.

                    Yeah, it was pretty much guaranteed after the pull out from the nuclear deal…almost like elections have consequences.

                    I’m sure feeding WMD’s to the Israelis for use against Iran won’t be problematic for that.

                    Lol, it’s a two party system. If you voted green you still lent your support to supporting a genocide

                    False. The Greens are the only party expressly opposed to helping Israel murder people at will, but you can create whatever justification you like for the support you lend to it.