US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.
“Trump won because of us and we’re not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others,” says Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.
Muslims: We voted for Trump because Harris supports Israel! He’s not hurting the right people!!!
Trump: Oh, yes. Yes we are. Now get on the fucking plane. The in-flight meal is pork chops.
Planes costs too much. Maganazis will use cattle cars.
So similar to the Muslims who voted for Biden in 2020?
Got exactly what they voted for.
But compare this post to when they’re mad about Anti-Jewish picks:
No shade at any Jewish voters who voted for trump strangely…
It’s crazy how many prefer to blame the uncommitted movement, people who fought the hardest to change the Democratic Party’s unconditional support for genocide through every democratic channel possible, over the Democratic Party for refusing to change position, at the cost of critical voters in swing states.
I would expect a campaign who’s key concern is winning against a fascist to do everything in their power to win as many votes as possible.
This wasn’t a no-brainer. There were far more Jewish people who’d tank the election toward Trump and give us this same shit show. The only viable hope was intense pressure afterward. Trump was always far more likely to backstab than Kamala, at least with her there was a chance of stronger pressure than Biden, vs. zero pressure from Trump.
That’s not true either. The polls I linked take into consideration votes that would be lost, and it’s still a net +6.
For example, 79% of Jewish Americans voted for Harris. Or just shy of 4.6 million voters
25% considered Israel a major policy item. Or just shy of 1.15 million Harris voters.
Looking at how Jewish Americans views on a permanent ceasefire and conditioal military aid, a majority support it
52.5% support withholding military aid compared to 23% to disagree with that decision.
23% of the 1.15 Million that consider Israel a top issue leaves us with 230,000 Jewish Americans.
Even if we assume all of these Jewish Americans are Democrat, which we have no way of confirming one way or the other, let’s compare that to the uncommitted movement. Total uncommitted in the Primary was 706,591 (Which may have been undercounted). On average, general turnout is twice that of primary turnout. Which would reflect over 1,400,000 uncommitted votes in the general as an estimate. Considering how widespread anti-genocide sentiment is, I would expect more than that. But it’s not like we have any data, other than the current results.
Interesting data, but you also gotta factor in the AIPAC rat-fucking that would work overtime to overturn opinions not just amongst Jewish voters but by exploiting anti-“terrorist” sentiments in general from both parties.There’s a lot of political machinery in place that’s deeply embedded. Trump would also be piling on with his own campaigning to exploit that.
But we’ll never know for certain i guess.
That’s why the best way to counteract that as a campaign would be to message about conditional military aid for a permanent ceasefire just before voting begins. That way AIPAC doesn’t have time to counter with attack ads. For context, it took AIPAC 25 million and 8 months to unseat 2 members of The Squad for being anti-genocide. Less people would hear about the pivot since it would have happened so late, but it’s still enough time to galvanize grassroots support and convince others to go out of their way to vote.
That’s fair, would have been impressive to see that.
You forget why trump is even a thing in national politics…
In 2015 when the primaries happened Hillary’s campaign controlled the DNC and pushed for trump because he was the worst possible opponent and they thought it would scare people into voting for Hillary despite her being wildly unpopular.
They’re 1 out of 3, but the DNC leadership loves trump because he lets them run even less popular moderates and take bribes from even worse industries/billionaires while still having a 33% chance of winning.
To them, it’s a smart bet.
Which is why we shouldn’t let them anywhere near the DNC.
They could have easily beat trump, but the want the awful “compromises” they say they have to do to win elections. It’s why they keep saying it despite it never helping
Neoliberalism has been dragging this country to Fascism since Democrats went the way of Third Way Politics
Now that is just plain stupid. One can make a moral argument for not wanting to vote for genocide, since the situation is similar, but not the same(!), as the famous Trolley Problem. But actively voting for the other pro-genocide option because you believed him to be a peace candidate? … This is something that needs honest analysis and reflection. Both by these voters as well as by the Democratic Party. How the hell could Trump with his abysmal record be perceived as the peace candidate by so many? I do expect though, that all the involved parties will learn the wrong lessons from this.
With all the blame, shaming and hate towards Muslim, Arab, African and Latino Americans we should also not forget: The only ethnic demographic from which Trump got a majority is: White voters.
“muslims who voted for trump” you mean fucking geniuses
They were upset by the democrats as well, which is probably why they turned to the only other party in the country. I know people are going to rush in and say “but the democrats would be better than trump!!” and that may be true to some extent, but the genocide started and progressed unabated under democrats. I guess Muslims can just get fucked, huh folks?
In Russian roulette, I might not die.
Or, my brains might explode out of my head to paint the wall in a vivid splatter.
Why the fuck would anyone play Russian roulette in the first place?
The genocide started in 2020? I kind of thought maybe there was some conflict in the region prior to that…but now I understand it was the Democrats that did everything and I will vote for Republicans, the party that specifically hates Muslims, instead.
More accurately the genocide started when israel was being established, but it greatly ramped up in 2023. I know you want to take the heat off of democrats, but they are just as complicit in this genocide. Yes, republicans are worse in general, but that does not absolve democrats of giving billions in support of genocide.
You don’t know what I want, and none of that is what I said, but keep pretending whatever approach you’re taking here is helpful, it seems to be helping you sleep at night. No one should be absolved of supporting Israel’s actions in Gaza. We were given 2 options, and I picked the one that I expect to result in less harm. The other option won and will now be in control of what happens to Gaza, and there’s no silver lining in that no matter how bad you want to find one.
The problem is that the conversation is being locked down to which of the two pro-israel parties to vote for. The conversation we should really be having is how to stop support for genocide outright. There are many here smirking at how people can vote for a candidate that would do things against their interests, but the reality is that both parties unconditionally support genocide. People are using the flimsy argument that democrats supposedly offer a kinder genocide, but the biden administration’s actions have not shown that to be the case.
You have a point in that support for israel has been a thing for a long time. If we see the complete annihilation of Gaza, it will not have been through the efforts of a single administration, but rather through a bipartisan tag team of ghouls.
I mean, these people (the leaders in the article) threw basically any minority group in the US and all of Ukraine under the bus to make their point. I’m not gonna say anything about all Muslims, but these leaders can definitely get fucked.
They weren’t thrown under the bus, they were already lined up in front of the bus by democrats who then pointed at the republican bus driver and screamed that they would be driven over if they didn’t vote democrat.
No there’s plenty of blame to go around. The Democrats’ hands aren’t clean here. But neither is anyone who voted for trump or encouraged others to vote for trump.
Have you ever heard of an analogy before? Because that’s like…the Stretch-Armstrong of analogies.
There is a reason why the go-to argument to vote for democrats is “because the republicans are worse”.
Is that because Republicans are worse?
Listen, we aren’t going to make Democrats better by letting Republicans win, that just lowers the bar for the even further
If you want real change it’s going to take drastic action with significant personal risk from a lot of people.
Always responding with “republicans are worse” does nothing except to shut down conversation of the complicity of democrats in all of this. It’s like pointing at a homeless person in the US and saying “well it could be worse, they could be homeless in a war-torn country”. It locks down the conversation to the two choice fallacy and blocks any conversation on avenues for that real change you are referencing. These voters are misguided, but it’s telling that democrats are so shit that these people thought a trump administration could offer anything different.
“two choices fallacy”? Buckaroo, you realize America only has two parties. And that won’t change until the voting system changes.
Don’t worry, they have plenty like the above commenter who are willing to give them plenty of asspats and play apologist about how they opted to kill more of the people they supposedly want to save AND massacre American minorities.
Apologist? You mean like how people like you rush to defend democrats supporting genocide with “other guy worse”? You’re just falling for the two-party tag team. Democrats and republicans play off each other to continually move the country to the right and they rely on people thinking they’re actually opposing parties. Congrats on falling for it, I guess.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t actually have to suffer the consequences of throwing the election to fascists. :)
Except for having relatives slaughtered in a genocide with the help of democrats :)))
Look bud, if democrats cared about combating fascism, they wouldn’t be cozying up to war criminals like dick cheney, putting out ad campaigns with republican talking points, and insisting that they must move to the right (i.e. closer to full-blown fascism) after every election defeat while never moving to the left.
Except for having relatives slaughtered in a genocide with the help of democrats :)))
That’s even more fucked up that you cheer on the slaughter of your own relatives under the Trump regime backing Israel to the hilt.
As opposed to democrats backing israel to the hilt right now? You may not believe this, but the bombs dropped during democratic party rule don’t hurt less. What’s really fucked up is you thinking I’m doing any cheering. You should really take some time for self-reflection for thinking that me criticizing democrats for the genocide they’ve been fully supporting for over a year now somehow means that I support trump. Who do we vote for if we don’t want genocide? No, I’m not asking for a supposedly “better” genocide, I mean NO genocide.
America has too many morons
How could any Muslim think Trump would not be bad for them.
I mean. Women voted for him, too. White or otherwise…l just do not get it.
shocking, really.
In other news, stupid people are baffled by their own stupidity.
No way. The guy who said he’d give Netanyahu a blank check to destroy Gaza opposes Islam? Color me fucking shocked.
Blank check? they already had one and have been bypassing Congress to fund them already under Biden
I love how you’re getting downvoted for posting a graph with factual data on it. I guess this is the “less harm” that democrats keep pleasuring themselves over. Republicans are worse than democrats in general, but on this issue they really are the same. Ah, but we shouldn’t let facts get in the way of people having fun mocking minorities having their relatives massacred in a genocide. Your factual data is really dragging the mood down in this party.
Republicans are worse than democrats in general, but on this issue they really are the same.
It’s frustrating how shitty Republicans can be and yet Democrats still insist on adopting all their positions and getting endorsed by them.
If any Muslim thought he gave a shit after his first run I’ve got a fuck ton of bridges to sell you.
Taxes and finances would be the only reason I can see voting for Trump, and when you look at his plans those are also stupid reasons to vote for him.
So basically to any of his voters except the fabulously rich ones… put a quarter in your ass because you played yourself.
