• portuga@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    Wasn’t the time to protest like before the election? Can’t figure the US line of reasoning

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      I think Trump’s strategy was “I’m going to sound so crazy every Democrat will assume I’ll lose and don’t bother voting”.

      And it worked.

      TWICE

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        both times dem consultants took the bait and courted republicans. Though this is the first time right wing immigration policies were pushed by the democrat.

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        Well, at a certain point, “just don’t be that big a dumbass” has to happen because things really can’t stay together otherwise. Assuming he couldn’t win is a perfectly sensible assumption. You can lead 73 million horses to water but you can’t make them drink.

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    9 days ago

    americans are awful at protesting. they show up, cant figure out where to park, have no organizations, have lame chants (e.g. hey hey, ho ho, donald trump has go to go), present the same meaningless meme protest posters, leave tons of trash behind, and it last a few hours. Nothing is sustained for multiple days or weeks, and the solidarity is with people who already were with you.

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    10 days ago

    Where were all these people when they had the opportunity to vote? You lost a legitimate election. Now you want to protest the results? Please explain the difference when republicans protested and tried to overturn the election.

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    Dudes getting rid of the department of education so garbage human beings can isolate their children in homeschooling. More than protests are required. Real tangible steps needed to be taken prior to the election to enshrine basic rights and quality of standard for the US citizens. Democrats refused because everyone knows they have 1 or 2 senators or congressional rep that would make sure their minor majority was canceled out. This was intentional by democrat leadership(pelosi). The US voters refused to remove both democrats and republicans end masse because both of them wanted their party to have the power. Welcome to the Divided States of america. Have you had your joy today?

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    And searches for “can I change my vote” and “what is a tariff” have spiked

    Everyone has been warning against Trump (including his own ex staff and lawyers).

    Big thanks to the donkeys though who promoted Trump and tried to pretend Kamala is the same.

    I doubt there is a single economist that believes in Trump

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      Yep. They knew what would happen because we’ve been telling them for months what would happen. Trump himself has been telling them for months what would happen. But they’re too smart. They always seem to know more than those they disagree with.

      And now, because of a single issue that’s happing in a country where most of them couldn’t have located on a map a year ago- we’re now having to deal with the worst possible outcome.

      And here’s the kicker-

      What’s happening at that place that they could locate on a map a year ago that upset them so much will not be happening for too much longer…

      and it won’t be ending in a way they’d have hoped it would.

      But just wait… it’ll be everyone else’s fault.

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      The new narrative is “I have no culpability whatsoever when it comes to Trump winning just because I kept repeating that no one should vote for Harris. It’s entirely her fault for running a bad campaign.”

      They refuse to share blame. I hope they feel just as self-righteous when they’re getting marched into that boxcar.

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      Get ready because next year they going make protesting illegal, and Trump already signal his willingness to send troops to said protest. I suspect we will have protest and soldiers shooting said protesters. People under estimate how many mega have joined the army.

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        That’s why I would advise against directly confrontation means of protest. Instead look at things like malicious compliance, boycotts, 4B / birthstrike, anticonsumption, and other acts of non-participation. Labor strikes will probably be common, but those can be rather risky.

        Governments know how to deal in violence. Don’t give them a target to aim at.

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        If making protesting illegal is enough to get you to stop protesting: You’re not really upset enough to have protested in the first place for anything but taking pictures of it for social media points.

        And it’s not like protesters haven’t been getting shot or beaten up by police even while it’s legal.

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    While I fully support these protests, they need to be planning for the responding violence from authorities. It’s coming the day Trump takes office.

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      People protesting in Seattle or NYC are, rest assured, taking state sanctioned violence into account. SPD/NYPD are a great way to train a culture in how to mitigate absolute bastards.

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        Probably best to stick to coordinating movements to isolate and neutralize paid provocateurs and provide secure wellness stations, while maintaining a recording of EVERYTHING done by officials. Remember to broadcast everything, not just record. That way recordings can’t be seized.

        At some point they’ll start shutting down internet access to prevent recording of their actions. But that will probably coincide to when protest isn’t the most efficient of methods any more.

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          At some point they’ll start shutting down internet access to prevent recording of their actions

          This is an interesting viewpoint. I think the internet is where the modern GOP has their strongest control over people. Yeah, there is traditional media, but the internet echo chambers are where a lot of their people go to express their beliefs. Shutting it all down would be severing a link that directly guides the populace’s minds. (Especially for the younger folks who don’t know a life without internet.)

          Imagine no more Xitter propaganda, no more ignorant Facebook posts, no hate-inspiring memes propagating at the speed of light… Conspiracy theories and gossip would become localized again, and since the people inclined toward those things can’t independently determine reality, over time their viewpoints would inevitably diverge from each other.

          I mean, a lot of things could happen, ranging from violent reactions, to increased empathy (from being forced to interact with diverse neighbors in-person.) But without a central command link, a brain to tell them what to believe, the tribal nature of their supporters would invariably cause fractures within their own base.

          (At least, one can hope.)

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            They won’t shut it all down, just localized areas in order to ‘protect the safety of officers operating in the area’.

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    Yeah? Are more than 71 million people protesting? If so, where the fuck were you on Tuesday? And if not, well, I understand you don’t like the election result but this isn’t going to achieve anything.

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      Being persnickety with people putting their lives out there in protest is such a DNC move. Bet you bitched about the college gaza protests. If your old enough you would of been bitching about civil rights and Vietnam war protests too.

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        No but see I withheld my vote for genocidal candidates.

        FTFY. get your facts straight. Kamala’s internal polling knew this. she choose this put your ire in the proper location: on harris and the dnc for blowing a fucking election against this twit to shill harder for corporations.

        she had two jobs to win: convince people she took the economic hardships of american workers serious (she didn’t) and commit to following americas laws (she didn’t while simultaneously running as a law and order candidate).

        Instead she treated arabs like absolute garbage and had pro business economic policies. oooo 25k for first time home owners. bitch people can’t afford food and rent and mortgage rates are at a two decade high. you think 25k is going to do shit?

        she was such an arrogant asshole to arabs and the working class we fucking warned everyone for months. but instead of listening idiots spouted ‘lesser evil’ nonsense. All I know is im grabbing popcorn for the next four years and focusing my efforts entirely locally from now on. fuck the DNC and national democrats.

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      He probably didn’t. He was polling very well. Very well. Better than his last two elections for a long time. People pretended he couldn’t win and I admittedly didn’t think they’d do that since that’s exactly what happened in 2016.

      Simply assuming the election was stolen will be a mistake because that mindset will help Republicans win their next election. The voters wanted an irreparably changed supreme court and Trump functionally immune from prosecution and that’s what the voters got.

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        I reformatted my post for clarity if that helps. I have been trying to gather reputable sources and more info as story unfolds and I think I let it get too messy.

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        There are reasons to want Congress to stop him apart from “stealing” the election (which I don’t think happened). Particularly the 14th amendment which states insurrectionists cannot hold office.

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        Um, or not realizing the danger we are literally in right now will be a mistake.

        Think of what Trump has literally said:

        • He wants a purge night, and a purge for “woke” military members (this is literally a military take over by Russia)
        • He wants to take away freedom of speech for leftists
        • He wants to end birthright citizenship
        • You will never vote again after this election

        There won’t be a next election. He is a Russian asset meant to take all of our money and kill us. The voters didn’t decide anything, Russia did. To kill us.

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        One piece of this is pretty easily debunked:

        “Your votes are rigged. We can win New Mexico.”

        If that were true, why didn’t they? 🤔

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_New_Mexico

        Not only did Trump lose, he wasn’t even close.

        Fewer people turned up for Harris, likely due to the lower emphasis on vote by mail this year compared to 2020, but he still lost.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_New_Mexico

        As for the whole “Starlink hacked the machines!” that’s as crazy a claim as the Hugo Chavez claims from 2020.

        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/11/11/left-wing-conspiracy-theorists-elon-musk-satellites/

        "There is no evidence to support the claims spreading on social media. US voting machines are typically disconnected from the internet in order to prevent interference.

        Last week Jen Easterly, director of the US Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, said there was “no evidence of any malicious activity that had a material impact on the security or integrity of our election infrastructure”.

        Allegations that there are millions of “missing” votes have been spread by both Democrats unhappy about Trump’s victory and Republicans who claimed the theories vindicate their concerns about the 2020 result.

        The discrepancy in the number of votes cast is mostly down to slow vote counting in California, which as of Monday had only processed around 74pc of ballots despite being called for Kamala Harris days ago."

        I’m not going through the rest of the claims as it’s obviously just so much tinfoil hattery.

        Youtube is not a source, anyone can go on Youtube and say anything.

        Ditto Facebook, Twitter, reddit, etc. etc.

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            And still more useful than your sources.

            Trump did not win New Mexico despite your claim that they could flip it by cheating, that’s not up for debate.

            Voting machines are NOT connected to the Internet, starlink or otherwise. Again, not up for debate.

            Take your tin-foil hat somewhere else.

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        I’m pretty excited to see the left wing numerologists emerge from the woodwork. Don’t forget to buy those supplements.

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          So what exactly is philosophically unsound about what I said?

          We can philosophically find the inconsistencies in numerology to debunk it as a science or predictive method. So what am I saying that is illogical?

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            I think the illogical part is how you cited sources that don’t say what you claim they are saying.

            This is called “disinformation” folks

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              Which article specifically is wrong?

              YouTube is indeed a source as people have official YouTube channels. I’m linking a video of someone saying something - that’s a source. People who are young think sources are only weblinks because they’ve never written a bibliography without links in it at all. That used to be the norm.