An analysis of the MoH methodology, the exacerbating challenges it faces as the war continues, and estimates from independent researchers and humanitarian organisations.

An analysis of the Gaza MoH methodology, the exacerbating challenges it faces as the war continues, and estimates from independent researchers and humanitarian organisations.

  • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    133·
    29 days ago

    Stop with the genocide denial

    Genocide

    On 26 January 2024, the ICJ said that it was plausible that Israel had breached the Genocide Convention. As an emergency measure, it ordered Israel ensure that its army refrained from genocidal acts against Palestinians.

    The ICJ reported, as part of its decisions in March and May, that the situation in Gaza had deteriorated and that Israel had failed to abide by its order in January.

    So, when we look at the actions taken, the dropping of thousands and thousands of bombs in a couple of days, including phosphorus bombs, as we heard, on one of the most densely populated areas around the world, together with these proclamations of intent, this indeed constitutes genocidal killing, which is the first act, according to the convention, of genocide. And Israel, I must say, is also perpetrating act number two and three — that is, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and creating condition designed to bring about the destruction of the group by cutting off water, food, supply of energy, bombing hospitals, ordering the fast evictions of hospitals, which the World Health Organization has declared to be, quote, “a death sentence.” So, we’re seeing the combination of genocidal acts with special intent. This is indeed a textbook case of genocide.

    More than 800 scholars of international law and genocide have signed a public statement arguing that the Israeli military may be committing genocidal acts against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as the total siege and relentless airstrikes continue to inflict devastation on the occupied territory.

    An independent United Nations expert warned Monday that “Israel’s genocidal violence risks leaking out of Gaza and into the occupied Palestinian territory as a whole” as Western governments, corporations, and other institutions keep up their support for the Israeli military, which stands accused of grave war crimes in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

    Our documentation encompasses over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, journalists, and other influential personalities.

    Others: AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC

    Deliberate Attacks on Civilians

    Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:

    Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.

    • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      316·
      29 days ago

      Stop with the genocide accusations. It’s offensive to people who have actually suffered genocides.

      • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
        112·
        29 days ago

        My ancestors did. They went through the Holocaust. Israel is committing a genocide.

        • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
          413·
          29 days ago

          It isn’t a genocide just because you say it is.

          And it is nothing like the Holocaust. Not even remotely similar. There is literally nothing, not a single thing, that is similar.

          • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.comEnglish
            71·
            28 days ago

            Similarly, it isn’t not a genocide just because the perpetrators say it isn’t.

            Many experts and scholars do make the claim that this is genocide, and frankly a significant section of the world that doesn’t have a direct vested interest (i.e. not involved) seems to be of the opinion that it is.

            • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
              28·
              28 days ago

              Most people are painfully ignorant about Israel and soak up the propaganda they see on TikTok.

              An accusation of genocide is a pretty serious accusation and the onus is on people who make the accusation to prove the case. You don’t get to call it genocide just because you hate Israel.

              • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.comEnglish
                51·
                28 days ago

                No, but as I said plenty of experts and scholars are calling it one. I believe the ICJ said that it is “plausible,” which I taken to mean that it is inconclusive. Consider that this was many months ago before the more recent escalations.

                For my own part, I’m neither an expert nor do I have enough reliable, unbiased information to make any sort of assertion on the topic. Reasonably, I can only defer to the experts and try to filter out sources that have a vested interested (in either direction). There are experts saying both yes and no, so it really comes down to who you trust.

                • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  13·
                  27 days ago

                  Newsflash: lots of these “experts” hate Israel. Same reason why they seem single-mindedly focused on such a tiny country with all the other atrocities and human rights abuses happening around the world. Did you know that just yesterday the Turkish military was bombing the Kurds?

                  And no, the ICJ did not rule that it is plausible Israel is committing genocide. This is a popular misconception. The former head of the ICJ clarified the ruling: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-68906919

                  “Ms Donoghue explained that the court decided the Palestinians had a “plausible right” to be protected from genocide and that South Africa had the right to present that claim in the court.”

                  In other words, the court basically said the case can move forward. That’s it.

                  Unfortunately, there is no unbiased information about Israel. Even the so-called experts are biased. Israel is arguably the most divisive country on the planet (which seems odd for such a tiny country of only 9 million citizens) and anybody writing about it does so because they have strong opinions about it.

                  • EndlessNightmare@reddthat.comEnglish
                    3·
                    27 days ago

                    Well, nothing is going to convince you that Israel might (not necessarily is, but might) be committing genocide since you are just going to claim that experts from multiple nations and walks of life sre biased.

                    In other words, the court basically said the case can move forward. That’s it.

                    One could reasonably conclude that this means the case is inconclusive. The case hasn’t been dismissed, but it hasn’t rendered a verdict of guilty or acquittal either. The question is still open.

                    nd anybody writing about it does so because they have strong opinions about it.

                    You do appear to have already made up your mind on this matter. You have other comments authoritatively proclaiming that Israel is not guilty.

          • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
            51·
            28 days ago

            Oh yeah, the singularity of the Holocaust. The same kind of thinking that empowers Germany to aide countries in committing all kinds of atrocities all around the world just because those will never be THE Holocaust, so it’s okay.

            • DarthJon@lemmy.worldEnglish
              29·
              28 days ago

              The Holocaust was unique and when someone feels the need to downplay it, that reflects very poorly on them.

              • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
                91·
                28 days ago

                Every single genocide is unique. Not just the holocaust. Including the one committed in Palestine at the hands of the zionists nowadays.