Jebus, stop trying to find a single group to blame, it’s the entire god damn American public that’s at fault.
White, Latino, Blacks, Asians, men, women, Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, atheists, Republicans, Democrats, progressives, everyone in America knew who Trump and Republicans are and screwed the pooch and the entirety of America.
The entire American public? Trump won 50% or less of the vote. Stop spreading misinformation, you clown.
By marginalizing all of us that voted against him, you’re only empowering him. Fuck you.
I see this blame of various groups, of Harris of Democrats often one contradicting the other, but almost no one is acknowledging that we are in the middle of information warfare. We saw is effects in invasion of crimes in 2014, in brexit in 2016, trump election of the same year, across elections in Europe and still very little is done about it.
When some people were asked about why they voted for trump their answers were bizarre, out of touch with reality.
Today majority of people gets the news from social media which unlike traditional MSM is much more prone to be manipulated by foreign powers. Russia especially matters it, add their active measures developed during cold war work really well with current Internet.
The blame is on politically uneducated people coming to vote based on culture war nonsense. It’s that simple, but yall love to protect these people to not hurt their feelings.
The manipulation is affecting others as well. You want to see how well it works, look how pro Russia candidate in Romania who no one knew won first round, and might win the next one.
Yeah, latinos did
I had no idea that the Amish vote. I guess I just never thought of it, but I always got isolationist vibes from what I know.
There are two groups responsible: idiots and bigots.
bidiots?
Bigiots, surely.
There are idiots who are not bigoted, and there are bigots who are not idiots.
While there is a great deal of overlap between these two groups, they remain distinct.
The uneducated and the uncaring
That’s what I said.
No, didn’t you read OP’s statement? Apparently all of America is to blame. What a chucklefuck. I’m tired of letting this shit slide.
I feel like the main takeaway is more that everyone expected dumb white people to vote Trump. No one expected the very people he’s openly said he’s gonna fuck over to vote for him.
It’s my fault even though I voted against it? Checks out.
Yes. It’s called collective responsibility.
It’s called mental laziness
We either are, or are not a country. If you absolve yourself of responsibility because you didn’t personally vote [for Trump] then there’s no impetus to make the country better. After all you’re just a passenger. You gave up your agency.
Edit- I missed a couple words. I never meant to say they didn’t vote.
This is just some weird line of thought you came up with but it stands up to no scrutiny. Where it falls apart even more obviously is if you look at the more authoritarian governments around the world. Go ahead, blame those victims too and see how much sense it makes. But we don’t even have a democracy in the United States. The popular vote doesn’t matter as long as the gerrymandering worked as intended (which is often).
The only way your logic would hold up at all is if there were some international program that let people move for free to another country if they didn’t like what was going on in theirs. Because that would never ever exist, and so much is beyond our control, it’s just braindead to pretend otherwise.
Ps I voted and said so. Not sure why you’re saying I didn’t. My whole point is that we don’t get to victim blame those who did their part to stop this evil
Oh you voted Harris so you’re a victim now? Nobody has any sympathy for the people who did nothing but vote in those autocratic regimes. And throwing away your own agency certainly doesn’t make you a victim. We’re all in this no matter who we voted for.
Lol Stein supporters somehow miss how incredibly delusional they are
Who said anything about Stein?
Ah yes, right up there with marginalizing an entire group of people despite a lack of evidence. Oh, wait, it’s exactly that. 50% or less of American voters voted for Trump.
Less than 50% out of those who voted. If we were looking at everyone eligible to vote it would be closer to 25%, for whatever that is worth. I blame people for not voting, that really pisses me off, but at the same time it’s getting harder and harder to blame people for losing hope of anything worth voting for. If trump can win, I feel like my vote is worth even less than it ever was.
If we’re not all responsible then we don’t have any agency and it’s all over already. Nobody looks back at Germany and says, but what about the people who voted for the other parties?
Blaming people for voting for Trump is the only thing stopping us from seeing that our real enemy is the 1%, the political elite, and the corporate oligarchy.
We have the same enemy as Trump voters, it’s just easier to blame our neighbor for our problems than those who should really be held accountable.
This is the exact reason why Trump voters voted for Trump, it’s easier to blame democrat voters than it is to hold the culpable to account.
Bruh stop it. The people who voted for trump who aren’t hardcore MAGA, are just as dumb as them. You guys keep talking about the “elites”. trump is promising a record low corporate tax rate and more cuts for that 1%. And voters didn’t care, because it’s culture war bs.
What is your endgame in blaming people. It won’t change anything,
It won’t convince them to come to your side or see things the way you do.
All it does is give you some sense of entitlement and superiority in that you somehow made a better decision than they did?
Blaming people for voting for Trump actually weakens your cause.
You stop.
Trump voters are laughing at you because their team won. So keep worrying about who to blame, just bend over and lower your pants while the real enemies of the people can get to doing what they do whether an R or a D is in charge.
Blaming the 1% as you mentioned gets you the same nothing burger.
The fault is in both of those groups, and also in the Democrats for such a weak platform and not connecting on a personal level to people. There is fault all around. Blaming won’t solve things but it at least shows us what groups need to be worked on. It’s just a starting point never the solution.
The blame lies with dnc leadership and the corporate shills. They don’t get to run the party anymore.
Blaming Kamala, blaming the 1%, blaming the corporate oligarchs is the answer.
Blaming working class voters is a the wrong answer.
Working class voters have zero culpability in the real problems that’s working families face
The blame lies with the elite ruling class, Kamala Harris, and dnc center right corporate neoliberal politicians who only listen to their donors.
The party doesn’t cast the votes. People do. They are responsible for their decisions or lack thereof. Ignoring that is just as big an issue as ignoring the others responsible. But again, blame is only a starting point. Solutions and actions have to work to address the failings in each area. Sitting her trying to point at one group doesn’t help. It’s not so narrow as you are making it out to be.
Yes it is. This is a failure of Kamala and dnc leadership. If you can’t see that or think the voters share any blame then I assume you are either arguing in bad faith or don’t know what you are talking about.
It is absolutely 100 percent as simple as I am making it out to be.
I’m not arguing in bad faith. What makes you think voters hold no responsibility for their votes? Help me understand your viewpoint.
Let’s keep arguing about blame to distract us from the hellscape we all have to endure regardless of it. That’ll help.
The party leadership is to blame. It’s pretty simple.
Period.
They don’t get to try to blame different groups of voters and then go oh let’s not blame anyone once people realize the truth, that they’ve been grifting their base this whole time.
They don’t get to be the leaders anymore.
The grossest thing about the racist recriminations over Harris’ loss is that the racial group that makes up 70% of the electorate and the vast majority of Trump voters is somehow blameless, clean, and without blemish.
It seems like every minority is only as good as their latest contribution to the movement, while white liberals are always welcome to flow in and out every election cycle like a goddamn tide.
Conservatives have mocked us for decades with terms like bleeding heart and woke because they see us betraying those values at the fist sign of trouble. And they’re right.
That’s not what those terms mean or why they are used as insults.
And, generally speaking, a few ethnic/gender groups changed their voting strategies this election, while others didn’t. The articles calling out different demographics are pointing out reality. Those shifts affected the results of the election.
That’s why they are being pointed out, instead of pointing out that one group did exactly what was expected of them and what they did last time, and the time before, and the time before…
So I’d challenge you that it’s not recriminations or gross, it’s simply pointing out what changed and how it led to us being in our current spot. You can’t fix things/change course without understanding where you are.
Yes, it’s true that analyzing who voted for who is a legitimate thing to do. At the same time, we must keep in mind that Democrats were looking for people to blame several months before the election and they’re certainly still looking for people to blame now. If you’re writing an article and you just ignore this broader context, you deserve to be ridiculed online.
I think what we’ve seen since 2016 is that the DNC has little interest in representing the interests of the average working American. They just don’t want to push policies that Bernie Sanders would push, and they’re desperate to argue that they can be successful without doing so. In other words, the DNC is pro-corporate America, which is anti-working America, and they won’t change unless they’re forced out.
I don’t think “blame” is the right word here. They’re/we’re looking for reasons for how things ended up the way they did.
IMO it’s unhelpful at best and harmful at worst to look at the data and the people analyzing it and approach it as a blame thing - or even to assume it’s a finger pointing game. The facts are that the voting strategies of certain groups of people changed this election. The important thing moving forward is to understand who changed and why they changed, because then those things can be addressed.
And yeah, DNC leadership is either dumb or actively malicious because they keep pushing failed ideas under a false banner.
Is that it? I always was confused how bleeding heart is an insult like you wanna shame people for… idk caring too much? For the wrong kind of people?
It’s an insult for being to sympathetic/empathetic and soft.
Ultimately meaning that if push came to shove, a bleeding heart would be so caught up in caring that they would fail to make a tough decision.
Its not just that. Its refering to people expressing extreme performative empathy, backed up self serving or useless actions. There are liberal grifters out there, just like there are conservative ones, and the phrase is used to label a person as one of them.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/bleeding-heart-phrase-origin-meaning
The word’s always been pretty straightforward. I’ve never seen it mean anything performative. It’s always just a soft and empathetic person to a harmful degree.
The way its used in conservative circles in the 21st and late 20nd centuries does mean that they see the empathy as performative and either self serving or naive, not that they think the person simply cares too much. Up until about a decade ago they might have even seen empathy as a noble trait, as long as it was backed up by personal action.
Based on your response, I’m guessing you didn’t read about the history of the phrase that I linked, which explains what it meant and how it was used in the early, mid, and late 20th century. As well as the 21st century.
Just because you think something means something doesn’t mean it’s true.
If there’s a single group responsible it’s the Democrats.
They’re trying to cast blame around because if they can pin it on anyone else then they won’t have to change. The problem of course is this time around so many people from different demographics stayed home that it’s hard to pin point any one group. The closest would be the Arab American group in Michigan, but they didn’t actually enter the equation. Michigan always required other states to win as well.
So it’s the Democrats. It turns out hugging war criminals, gaslighting the public on the economy and deriding critics as Russian Shills (Pelosi laid that one on), was not a winning strategy.
To be fair to Harris, she made an outstanding run. The problem was the systemic issues had already set in by the time she took over. The convention was already 90 percent planned, the war chest was mostly allocated, and the staff were all the ones that had been blowing smoke at Biden.
So when I say The Democrats, like a conspiracy theorist uses the word “They”, I mean it. It was the party insiders who didn’t tell Biden he was having trouble in 2023. It was the party insiders who pushed for support of Netanyahu. It was party insiders who couldn’t properly message the victories Biden did have.
The Democrats need to have a very big reckoning in a very small window of time. And it looks like they’re taking the wrong message. With hand ringing over “purity tests” and minority rights. Independent voters didn’t refuse to vote Dem because of high school athletes. They just want an economy that actually works for them. That’s it. After decades of loss in real wages the hierarchy of needs is down to food and shelter. They honestly do not care if the football team has to let a trans person play.
I think you are being too kind to Harris and her staff. Everything you wrote is true, in my opinion, except that she had all this information just like we did.
She could have tried to run a campaign that focused on improving life of the average American, by busting up real estate speculation, by raising the minimum wage to match the cost of living, major things like that. I don’t know if that would have been enough, because we all watched her do nothing on those issues for the last 4 years, but she could have tried it. Or she could have spoken out against Biden on Israel. That would have been an interesting thing to see. I think she didn’t do any of those things because she doesn’t believe in them.
So she ran an honest campaign, and it wasn’t good enough. We all appreciate her honesty, but it would be better to have a candidate who shares more values with the average voter.
Honestly, without getting inside her head there’s no way to know how much she personally agrees on those issues. But there is a lot of influence from a campaign’s staff. She may very well have felt boxed into those stances. Or she really was a 1-1 with Biden on them. At the end of the day they were not what Americans were looking for.
Who was a better candidate this year? You have to choose one. If you say Kamala, then everything you just said dosent matter.
Harris ran on far better policies than trump (who is a felon btw).
Most people know that, but still voted for him over culture war bullshit. Stop this nonsense
No. Humans aren’t deterministic machines that perfectly weigh available information and rationally decide on the best course of action. It’s not enough to have better policies, you also have to appeal to your voters emotionally.
Harris didn’t do this, she instead decided to effectively spit into her voters faces by moving right on several issues while not giving hope that current issues will be resolved. People are hurting financially - one candidate said “I’ll fix it”, while the other said “there is no issue, nothing will change”.
It doesn’t matter that her policies were better. She could have campaigned differently and gotten far more votes. It’s as much her fault as it is the voters.
I personally blame those on the left who didn’t vote.
Democrats aren’t perfect, but this was like letting a snake bite unattended because the antidote can give you headaches.
Genocide is a bit more than just “aren’t perfect”
If you didn’t vote to help Palestinians, I have bad news for you and for them. But hey, now Ukrainians are going to suffer too! Brilliant plan there
