Feminists always think women are better then men, until they are provided with proof that they are just as shitty because (surprise surprise) women are just humans too.
Really though the problem here is social media where saying something provacative and obviously wrong will net you more interactions than being cautious and thorough.
You’re thinking of misandrists. Feminism is about equality of the sexes. Other groups (eg misandrists and terfs) sometimes claim to be feminist as a cover. A feminist believes men and woman are equals, a misogynist believes women are inferior, and a misandrist believes men are inferior.
You’ve most certainly seen it to be applicable. The issue is, the most arrogant people are always the loudest. People who claim to be feminist, but are terfs or misandrist usually garner the most negative attention and people start to only believe that feminism only means that thing. Feminism isn’t very eye catching. People who are it don’t scream at the top of their lungs.
Feminism is more widespread than you might believe too. Cause it’s really really simple. Women and men are equal, deserve equal rights and for the majority of examples, can perform the same tasks.
You can be upset about it, but humans are dumb. Language is dumb. Terms that people have came up with, the definition that has changed over time, and how it does not relate to things in the present is dumb. Nothing will ever be exactly how you or anybody else wants it to be. It’s a collective that you just have to accept as it is.
That being said, feminism has old roots when we used to pump our wives full of lithium and give them lobotomies. Treating them as equals was not something that was even discussed. You could say you were an egalitarian, but then you would have to also admit you liked people of color, or LGBTQ people. And that was a step too far for some.
Also its not excluding half the population. It’s INCLUDING them. Men are included by default. It’s a term that allows the conversation for how shitty women are typically treated to exist.
Equality doesn’t mean equal treatmeant, but equal outcomes. Obvious black and white examples like men don’t need cervix screening.
There are more nuanced things too, like homeless rates, suicide rates, career opportunities, sexual assault victims, education graduation rates, family court biases etc. All things that require nuanced attention between the sexes, and aren’t easy to get right.
99% of feminists are just your every day person, wishing for a more equitable world. There’s fringe parties of every socially political movement. I’ve kind of always wished there was a slightly more balanced name, but the movement started from the suffragettes, so it makes sense from a historical stand point.
Often “equality” is used to refer to legal and societal systems closer to equal treatment, and “equity” is used to refer to systems closer to equal outcomes.
Of course, the terms as defined in the dictionary are very similar, while how close the ideas they represent are when applied depends substantially on what is being considered, when, and how.
Hi, it’s me, a non extreme feminist! (We agree, except on the word never and always, so just read)
Sometimes it looks like extremes because in order to have equality, or equity, you have to change existing systems that promote the inequality and inequity. This to some may look like favouring the minority (power not number), when in fact it could just be trying to undo some of the damage. For example, changing a system that promotes men over women would involve maybe extra research into women’s health, because studies almost always don’t take into account that women’s bodies are different. BMI was built for men, dosages for medication are typically figured out for men, etc. Same goes with other minorites, btw. This extra research may make a majority group member feel like the system is prioritising others to the detriment of their self, when in fact it’s just trying to establish an equilibrium, as that research (from the example) is already there for them.
Now from people? Yes, you are right. Sometimes (you may say often or a hyperbolic always) adherents will be wrong about what feminism is. That’s a struggle that the idea has to contend with just like every other movement. But feminism itself isn’t about extremes of hate, though the systemic change to bring about feminist goals may feel extreme due to the scale of work to be done.
… have you met humans? Moderation is difficult. Capitalism and Communism both have difficulty not sucking due to humans. People always just take everything too far.
To play devil’s advocate. Context and usage matter.
The phrase “xxxxx always” has become synonymous with “xxxxx almost always” in this context. Especially, in casual English used on the Internet. The “almost” is implied…
(Disclaimer: this isn’t meant to defend the OP, who is most likely a sexist shit big :P )
Most of my friends in HS were feminists who did this shit more and more as we got older
Most grew up eventually and learned to stop putting their foot in their mouths as often, like most of us do, but a couple never did and are probably out there being these memes rn
I was so angry when I posted that, you can’t imagine! The phone I used at the time ended being thrown out of the window and killing a cat. Pure, unbridled, boiling rage.
None of the feminists I’ve ever personally met do this
Hey pal, just wanted to let you know that this type of reply doesn’t make you seem any less angry or upset. Hopefully this helps in any future contentious conversations you may have.
Son, you sound like the girlfriend that just starts asking “why are you angry?” and insisting that you’re angry until you get angry, then to finally say “you’re too angry to discuss, I’ll let you cool down”. Where’d you learn how to gaslight like that?
Feminists always think women are better then men, until they are provided with proof that they are just as shitty because (surprise surprise) women are just humans too.
What the fuck
Are you unable to understand that simple statement in the context of the phrase? Or what is it you’re having trouble understanding?
I am shitposting by reacting incredulously to a very obvious and factual statement.
Shitpost away my dude.
Curse those darn feminists /s
Really though the problem here is social media where saying something provacative and obviously wrong will net you more interactions than being cautious and thorough.
That’s true. The feminists that believe in this crap do not represent the majority of feminists, just the loud, online feminists.
You’re thinking of misandrists. Feminism is about equality of the sexes. Other groups (eg misandrists and terfs) sometimes claim to be feminist as a cover. A feminist believes men and woman are equals, a misogynist believes women are inferior, and a misandrist believes men are inferior.
What is it when someone believes they’re both shite? I guess that’s feminism, too?
Misanthrope
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy
Co-fecal humanism
I have never seen this to be applicable. From people its always one extreme side or the other.
You’ve most certainly seen it to be applicable. The issue is, the most arrogant people are always the loudest. People who claim to be feminist, but are terfs or misandrist usually garner the most negative attention and people start to only believe that feminism only means that thing. Feminism isn’t very eye catching. People who are it don’t scream at the top of their lungs.
Feminism is more widespread than you might believe too. Cause it’s really really simple. Women and men are equal, deserve equal rights and for the majority of examples, can perform the same tasks.
So you mean equality. Say equality then.
Feminism is a crazy name crazy people invented to shift things to the opposite side, destructively.
You say feminism, but just the fucking word excludes half the fucking population.
You can be upset about it, but humans are dumb. Language is dumb. Terms that people have came up with, the definition that has changed over time, and how it does not relate to things in the present is dumb. Nothing will ever be exactly how you or anybody else wants it to be. It’s a collective that you just have to accept as it is.
That being said, feminism has old roots when we used to pump our wives full of lithium and give them lobotomies. Treating them as equals was not something that was even discussed. You could say you were an egalitarian, but then you would have to also admit you liked people of color, or LGBTQ people. And that was a step too far for some.
Also its not excluding half the population. It’s INCLUDING them. Men are included by default. It’s a term that allows the conversation for how shitty women are typically treated to exist.
Equality doesn’t mean equal treatmeant, but equal outcomes. Obvious black and white examples like men don’t need cervix screening.
There are more nuanced things too, like homeless rates, suicide rates, career opportunities, sexual assault victims, education graduation rates, family court biases etc. All things that require nuanced attention between the sexes, and aren’t easy to get right.
99% of feminists are just your every day person, wishing for a more equitable world. There’s fringe parties of every socially political movement. I’ve kind of always wished there was a slightly more balanced name, but the movement started from the suffragettes, so it makes sense from a historical stand point.
Often “equality” is used to refer to legal and societal systems closer to equal treatment, and “equity” is used to refer to systems closer to equal outcomes.
Of course, the terms as defined in the dictionary are very similar, while how close the ideas they represent are when applied depends substantially on what is being considered, when, and how.
Hi, it’s me, a non extreme feminist! (We agree, except on the word never and always, so just read)
Sometimes it looks like extremes because in order to have equality, or equity, you have to change existing systems that promote the inequality and inequity. This to some may look like favouring the minority (power not number), when in fact it could just be trying to undo some of the damage. For example, changing a system that promotes men over women would involve maybe extra research into women’s health, because studies almost always don’t take into account that women’s bodies are different. BMI was built for men, dosages for medication are typically figured out for men, etc. Same goes with other minorites, btw. This extra research may make a majority group member feel like the system is prioritising others to the detriment of their self, when in fact it’s just trying to establish an equilibrium, as that research (from the example) is already there for them.
Now from people? Yes, you are right. Sometimes (you may say often or a hyperbolic always) adherents will be wrong about what feminism is. That’s a struggle that the idea has to contend with just like every other movement. But feminism itself isn’t about extremes of hate, though the systemic change to bring about feminist goals may feel extreme due to the scale of work to be done.
… have you met humans? Moderation is difficult. Capitalism and Communism both have difficulty not sucking due to humans. People always just take everything too far.
Feminists don’t think women are better than men. They also believe women are just humans too.
Rational feminists do, yes. The loud online feminists like the one depicted though…
You got that from a single sentence?
Maybe stop sniffing petrol before you respond. Or learn the meaning of the word context. Could be helpful in the future. You never know ;)
Yeah, the context is your mom never standing up to your dad, so you never learned what strength looks like.
Mate, I chose the name, that’s not a burn. This is like making fun of a clown for wearing bright colors.
Making a lot of assumptions there, buddy.
Remember, only a Sith will deal in absolutes.
Which absolutes?
“Feminists always”
To play devil’s advocate. Context and usage matter.
The phrase “xxxxx always” has become synonymous with “xxxxx almost always” in this context. Especially, in casual English used on the Internet. The “almost” is implied…
(Disclaimer: this isn’t meant to defend the OP, who is most likely a sexist shit big :P )
“sExiST sHiT bAg!!1!1!”
Yes, people never exaggerate.
None of the feminists I’ve ever personally met do this. Are you sure you’re not just rageposting right wing propaganda?
Asserting that “women are just humans too” is literally feminism.
Most of my friends in HS were feminists who did this shit more and more as we got older
Most grew up eventually and learned to stop putting their foot in their mouths as often, like most of us do, but a couple never did and are probably out there being these memes rn
I was so angry when I posted that, you can’t imagine! The phone I used at the time ended being thrown out of the window and killing a cat. Pure, unbridled, boiling rage.
The sample size to beat them all
Hey pal, just wanted to let you know that this type of reply doesn’t make you seem any less angry or upset. Hopefully this helps in any future contentious conversations you may have.
Son, you sound like the girlfriend that just starts asking “why are you angry?” and insisting that you’re angry until you get angry, then to finally say “you’re too angry to discuss, I’ll let you cool down”. Where’d you learn how to gaslight like that?
Whoa guy, you gotta warn me before all that protection, you almost burned my eyes out
s/protection/projection/ ?
Yeah sorry, good catch. Imma leave it though
You’re not beating the allegations, my friend.
You don’t know the meaning of allegations, bud.