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Cake day: June 13th, 2023

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  • Brother, a huge chunk of people outside of Europe can’t do things like choose cleaner energy sources, choose to use public transportation, choose to live car free, choose to eat local produce, or choose to do any of those things in the articles you listed, because those choices do not exist for them. I don’t have access to local produce except a few weekends in the summer. My city doesn’t have functional public transportation. My apartment doesn’t let me choose where I get my energy from, and even if it did, there probably wouldn’t be a clean energy option in my state. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if more coal power plants were being built, due to lobbying and politicians that I voted against. Don’t you see how it’s frustrating when you say that these individual actions need to be the focus when it’s impossible for a ton of people to take those actions?


  • I’m saying that giving millions of these people a pass because a billionaire is worse isn’t helpful

    I’m not giving them a pass. I do my part, and I encourage others to do theirs. It’s billionaires who are getting a pass. There’s next to no consequence for large scale damage to the environment, if you’re rich enough.

    and expecting these folks to magically work towards sustainable collective action when they spend their entire lives living the opposite of sustainability is simply not going to work.

    I one hundred percent agree, it’s a tall task to get that undereducated, uncaring group to think about the environment.

    What is a shorter task, is passing taxes, policies, and other financial incentives to make billionaires pay for the damage they’re doing. Which in all likelihood, will come in the form of not offering all those horribly irresponsible products. Kills two birds with one stone.


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    If both sides switched positions the lower class people would go for exactly the same fun as the elite is having right know.

    Then it seems to me that the real problem is the capacity for damage that being a billionaire grants you, not the people involved. Maybe we need to start looking at ways to limit the damage billionaires can do, instead of focusing so hard on changing the behavior of the masses.

    Purging a couple of assholes and replacing them with fresh soon-to-be assholes won’t solve this

    I’m not suggesting a purge, I’m suggesting we change the behavior of the billionaire class. That can be achieved with taxes, policy, and financial incentives just as easily as with violence (probably easier tbh).

    Our mindset needs to change.

    Dawg, we’ve been trying to change the mindset since (at least*) the 90s, and it’s just not enough. You and I can reuse our sustainably sourced reusable hemp shopping bags all we want, reduce our consumption all we want, recycle all we want, it doesn’t change the fact that Kroger is shipping in produce from half a planet away on a daily basis. We need to go further, and make the upper class take their share of responsibility for the damage they do to the environment.

    We need to agree on what is enough and what’s obscene.

    Agreeing on what’s enough is hard, but agreeing on what’s obscene is much much easier, and I think it’s safe to say that nearly every billionaire in the world exceeds what we can agree is obscene. That’s a much easier problem to solve, one we have the tools to solve now. Let’s tackle that first, while we work through the harder problem of figuring out what’s enough.