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I hope those people who feel as if they own the moral high ground will remember they had an opportunity to stop it

How many people died in Gaza today? I wish I had an opportunity to stop that.

but I live in the reality of the viable options

Yes, and I am unhappy that the options all involve ‘innocent people are dying right now’. This bothers me.

If it’s the moral high ground to say that killing is wrong, then it is also the moral high ground for you to say “The choice is either the people who are suffering may or will continue to do so, versus these same people suffering even worse”. You’re saying that hurting innocent people is bad, yes?

Having to choose to hurt some or more innocent people is not a choice I am enthused about, no matter what the practical reality is. It would be churlish to criticise someone without food for complaining about their practical choice between going hungry and starving, I feel.

Practical concerns do not replace morality. Someone might have no choice but to abandon their children because they cannot afford them: this does not stop them from being harmed by the moral weight of what, in all practicality, they had to do.

Either way, the reality any sane person can understand is that there are much better odds we see movement from Harris than we do from Trump.

I completely agree with that. I admit to being impatient for change now, because innocent people are dying now. It is sad that elections (and electorates) get in the way of such important moral principles.

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For someone who claims to have strong convictions you sure have a hard time actually standing up for and defending what you are saying.

I’m saying that killing people is wrong. If you showed me Harris had committed to holding Israel accountable and creating a ceasefire, I would be a big fan. It’s not hard to be better than Trump or the Republican party, they’re odious.

You can’t blame me for my perception that the Democratic party is aiding Israel by sending them weapons. You can blame me for caring about the lives of innocent people, though.

You’re not very good at holding a conversation. I’ll leave you to complaining about the media inventing sexism, racism and fascism. Maybe you will be excited to find out how fascist Americans can be when Trump fans harass voters as this election comes to a close. Or maybe you will start talking about how the media is inventing it.

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As a non-binary person who is under the trans gender umbrella, without being transgender in the sense of having transitioned across genders, I am careful with my language. I am not transgender in the way people typically understand.

Feel free to participate in non-binary erasure, I’m used to it. Humans love creating outgroups so they can bully each other, that is why I find myself not labelling myself as human. I think gender is stupid, and I think humans are rude.

On my instance, the UI doesn’t even give a downvote option. There’s probably a way around that, though, not that I am interested.

Getting rid of downvotes is, I think, a good thing.

It’s a fundamentally uncomfortable position. The people of Gaza matter

Thank you for saying this.

If I were American, I would surely vote for Harris. But I would want to have been able to do more to keep people safe from state terrorism.

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struggle with more than one issue that is 5000 miles away.

Humans could be killing innocent people in another galaxy. I still don’t approve of killing innocent people. Distance doesn’t matter.

If you must sacrifice humans elsewhere for the good of your political system, kill me. I accept the sacrifice. I will die in their place. I will give Israel my address. If someone must die, I will do it.

I just do not enjoy hearing, every day, about children being killed in bombings. It makes me not want to be alive.

It’s because there is a large, internally-polled segment of the Pennsylvania electorate who are Jewish and sympathetic to Israel.

Harris can’t afford to not court them.

I have no doubt she vehemently dislikes Bibi and would wish to cut aid.

I hope you are right. But, without evidence (if there is any, please share it), this might be wishful thinking. You might just be a more moral person than Harris. I might be being extremely unfair, but it doesn’t seem impossible for an elected official to be willing to sacrifice the lives of innocent people in a country without American voters to gain power.

I think you might be on to something. Maybe the system is set up to limit the power of protest voting? I mean, it does deliver two right-of-centre parties to power, over and over again.

Where the wheels are coming off is that one of them - and some people say both - are moving further rightwards, and this is destabilising society in America.

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Hey, I’m autistic, queer, and an immigrant. You can hate me if you want, plenty of people do.

My gender identity is trans. I’m also ethnically Ukrainian. Feel free to assume I’m Russian because I’m different to you. That’s what human society does, create ougroups and scapegoat them. I try to avoid doing it, which makes me an enemy of those who do, because I say impossible things like “can we not kill innocent people?” For practical purposes, that will not happen, and asking for it is naive.

I know that. But, although impractical and naive, that does not stop it from being the morally correct outcome. My autism shows itself in a very strong sense of justice, and I find justice to be more important than practicality.

I think if you’ve found the majority

That’s not what ‘a lot’ means, unless you’re reading a different dictionary to me?

Oh, absolutely. Umberto Eco pointed out that this is how fascism works.

The enemy is both weak and strong. “[…] the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

The Dems are both craven lickspittles who are not manly enough to drive a truck, and yet strong enough to control everything even if they haven’t been in power for a decade.

As we can see, fascism is bullshit for idiots.

Also, they may still be happy if they are affected, as long as the outgroups they hate most are affected worst.