Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; ‘The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,’ says army spokesperson Hagari

Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages’ location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.

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    The hostages seem like the only bargaining chip they have (not that it’s much of a bargaining chip), so I’m surprised they’re doing it. Maybe they’ve decided that it isn’t worth it.

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      Probably frustration and despair. If your bargaining chip can’t get you a bargain, all they’re worth is ‘revenge’ against your opponent.

      What a fucked situation.

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        Thinking on it, it was probably also costing them what are now valuable resources to keep them alive. When it’s near impossible to get in and out of Gaza, food, medicine, etc. are worth their weight in gold.

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      I put as much faith in this as I do the hospital tunnel story.

      Anything the IDF says is to be treated as bunk without at least 2 corroborating sources. The IDF lies like they breathe, so I’m more willing to assume they killed the hostages to make Hamas look bad than anything they actually say.

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        It’s entirely possible this is total nonsense, but I could also see them realizing that keeping them alive was an exercise in futility and, as I suggested in another comment, a waste of precious resources like food.

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          Oh, don’t get me wrong, it could maybe possibly be true. We’re just getting it from a serial liar, so the message is untrustworthy on its face.

          I’ll be extremely saddened if I’m wrong here, because those people didn’t deserve this. But given Israel’s long history of blatant lies in the name of PR against anything Palestinian, I’m not going to believe it until a credible source backs up their statement.

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            It’s been confirmed multiple times from multiple sources that Gaza’s largest hospitals are connected to Hamas’ tunnel network. The UNWRA, various doctor groups and various media outlets had reported it prior to this most recent conflict.

            For someone moderately or more paying attention there should have been no reason to doubt those claims from the IDF; not just because they cane with nominally verifiable audio and video evidence. But also because Hamas has never refuted claims about its use of its tunnel network in and around hospitals, schools and other civilian infrastructure.

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              No one doubts the existence of the tunnels, because Israel made them. What is unconfirmed, and frankly bullshit, is how much those are utilized and whether the propaganda put out by Israel about the headquarters is true. (Hint: it’s propaganda to make useful idiots support the terror that the Israeli state is imposing in the Palestinian people). Also, let’s not forget the hilariously bad video they put out as “”“proof”“” from months before.

              So yeah, try harder to push your propaganda, because you kinda suck at it.

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                Also, let’s not forget the hilariously bad video they put out as “”“proof”“” from months before.

                “They” in this case was a random Twitter account chasing clout.

                The IDF invited NBC and other news organizations to tour the tunnels they found. Along with a bunch of other proof of their usage.

                Maybe the problem is that you look at random Twitter accounts chasing clout as legitimate sources. There’s a ton of these clout fiends talking shit on both sides sharing false or doctored video.

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                  Oh yeah, the Other debunked tunnel propaganda . My bad, it’s so hard to keep all of this propaganda straight.

                  And lol, NBC was one of the many cheerleaders for the Iraq war, maybe don’t use argument to authority fallacies when you’re using a source that’s perpetuated state propaganda before.