It really was, well except for Rola Makki, her view was just bog standard Republican cognitive dissonance.
Still, absolutely infuriating that they would not vote for Harris even when they knew deep down it would be worse and while I can feel for them and actually do agree with some of their points about Democrats not really being behind minorities, I still find it hard to really feel too bad knowing they not only screwed themselves, they the rest of us too.
Do we actually know that Kamala would be any better for Gaza than Trump? Because Biden never altered a single Trump policy when it came to Israel. He enabled Israel just as strong as Trump did.
Moreover, Trump has told Israel that he wants them to wrap it up quickly. That likely means a surge in violence in Gaza in the next few months. And while the death toll from those months will exceed what they would have been under Kamala, the conflict had no end in sight at all under Biden/Harris.
What evidence do we actually have, other than just vibes, that Trump will be worse than Harris? I mean sure, he personally despises all Arab people, but it’s not like Biden or Harris really see the Palestinians as human beings either. Trump is just more overt about it.
Which still leads to the same answer though. Yes, Harris would have at least been better for them because Israel would have moved much more slowly. Had Israel believed they could have sped things up under Biden, they’d have done it over a year ago.
I’m not saying either was particularly “good” for Palestine. But Harris would have still been better than Trump. Look at it this way. Your landlord comes by tomorrow and says you have six months to move out. Or he comes by and says you’re moving out tomorrow. (Legal issues aside. It’s an example. I’m sure you get my point). Which one is better for you? At least with the former you have six months with a roof over your head.
Ok. What is Trump going to do that Biden hasn’t already been doing? Everything I’ve seen is that nothing will change except perhaps an acceleration. Whether Gaza is genocided in 1 year or 3 is pretty irrelevant.
I already said I don’t think you’re asking so why would I volunteer to be sealioned for 30 minutes about public information, most of which direct quotes from trump that we all know about?
I’ve seen those stories, but again, I really don’t see anything Trump will do that Harris wouldn’t have.
The big claim is that he’s going to allow Israel to annex land in the West Bank. But that’s been going on for years.
What about annexing land in Gaza? Well, Biden’s sat by while the entirety of north Gaza is now actively being ethnically cleansed. The Israeli military has declared any remaining civilians in the area to be enemy fighters and valid targets. There are hundreds of thousands of people dead.
That is what Biden has sat by and abetted. And the big fear is that Trump might sit back while Israel annexes North Gaza? I’m sorry, but why would you think Biden wouldn’t allow it? Annexing is just filing some paperwork. Hundreds of thousands have been massacred. Emptying a land of its people is a far, far greater a crime than filing some paperwork to formally annex it later. If Biden didn’t have a problem with full-on ethnic cleansing, he is not going to lift a finger to prevent Netanyahu from filing some paperwork. He’s already tolerated the greater crime, he won’t suddenly move to stop a lesser one.
I have certainly heard things that Trump will do. But they honestly don’t seem any worse than what is already happening. I think the only real difference is optics. The key difference between Biden and Trump is that Trump is an overt racist. Trump overtly hates all Muslims; he doesn’t even try to hide it. And because of this, we assume that Trump will be worse for Gaza than Biden has been. But on closer inspection, there really isn’t much more that Trump can do that Biden hasn’t already been doing. Biden already has the “US support to Israel” dial set to 100%. It simply doesn’t go any higher.
It would have been better because like her hero Biden, she would have quietly said Netty was mean behind closed doors.
She would have kept sending guns and money, and defending them from repercussions so they continue to have free rein to commit genocide, but it would be better.
They didn’t lose the election for Harris. She failed to get voters across the board. And they’re the one group with the most justified reason to vote spitefully and a conveniently “othered” minority to focus on so the people who ran that terrible campaign don’t have to own up for their failures and liberal white America that thought “the Democrats don’t need to do anything for them because they have no other options” can avoid recognizing that that was a bad sentiment with which to build a coalition.
Right… I don’t think there are enough Arab- and Muslim-Americans in PA to swing it, and she needed that to win the election, even if she had won MI. I suspect it was her failed messaging on the economy that made the difference. But we don’t have final numbers yet so it’s hard to tell.
Whereas the incredibly close elections like 2000 or 2016 could be blamed on basically any one group as pleased the accuser, this one is an across the board loss. That’s not going to stop the moderates from trying to scapegoat minorities though, because otherwise they might need to address that a dedicated dive to the center was an abject failure.
Next up on the list, the trans people, who despite being entirely ignored by the campaign are clearly the people who need to be shoved back in a corner for the convenience of white moderates.
Step 1: Avoid anything related to social justice for the entire campaign and never forcefully counter conservative narratives about vulnerable populations.
It really was, well except for Rola Makki, her view was just bog standard Republican cognitive dissonance.
Still, absolutely infuriating that they would not vote for Harris even when they knew deep down it would be worse and while I can feel for them and actually do agree with some of their points about Democrats not really being behind minorities, I still find it hard to really feel too bad knowing they not only screwed themselves, they the rest of us too.
Do we actually know that Kamala would be any better for Gaza than Trump? Because Biden never altered a single Trump policy when it came to Israel. He enabled Israel just as strong as Trump did.
Moreover, Trump has told Israel that he wants them to wrap it up quickly. That likely means a surge in violence in Gaza in the next few months. And while the death toll from those months will exceed what they would have been under Kamala, the conflict had no end in sight at all under Biden/Harris.
What evidence do we actually have, other than just vibes, that Trump will be worse than Harris? I mean sure, he personally despises all Arab people, but it’s not like Biden or Harris really see the Palestinians as human beings either. Trump is just more overt about it.
Given that Israel just announced a plan to annex the West Bank with Trump’s blessing, I’d say the answer is that yes, she would.
That isn’t something new. They’ve been annexing land in the West Bank for years.
It may accelerate under Trump, but it’s nothing new.
Which still leads to the same answer though. Yes, Harris would have at least been better for them because Israel would have moved much more slowly. Had Israel believed they could have sped things up under Biden, they’d have done it over a year ago.
I’m not saying either was particularly “good” for Palestine. But Harris would have still been better than Trump. Look at it this way. Your landlord comes by tomorrow and says you have six months to move out. Or he comes by and says you’re moving out tomorrow. (Legal issues aside. It’s an example. I’m sure you get my point). Which one is better for you? At least with the former you have six months with a roof over your head.
There is no “legal issues aside”. The landlord had his buddy in government change the rules.
1000% yes and I don’t believe you’re really asking
Ok. What is Trump going to do that Biden hasn’t already been doing? Everything I’ve seen is that nothing will change except perhaps an acceleration. Whether Gaza is genocided in 1 year or 3 is pretty irrelevant.
I already said I don’t think you’re asking so why would I volunteer to be sealioned for 30 minutes about public information, most of which direct quotes from trump that we all know about?
I’ve seen those stories, but again, I really don’t see anything Trump will do that Harris wouldn’t have.
The big claim is that he’s going to allow Israel to annex land in the West Bank. But that’s been going on for years.
What about annexing land in Gaza? Well, Biden’s sat by while the entirety of north Gaza is now actively being ethnically cleansed. The Israeli military has declared any remaining civilians in the area to be enemy fighters and valid targets. There are hundreds of thousands of people dead.
That is what Biden has sat by and abetted. And the big fear is that Trump might sit back while Israel annexes North Gaza? I’m sorry, but why would you think Biden wouldn’t allow it? Annexing is just filing some paperwork. Hundreds of thousands have been massacred. Emptying a land of its people is a far, far greater a crime than filing some paperwork to formally annex it later. If Biden didn’t have a problem with full-on ethnic cleansing, he is not going to lift a finger to prevent Netanyahu from filing some paperwork. He’s already tolerated the greater crime, he won’t suddenly move to stop a lesser one.
I have certainly heard things that Trump will do. But they honestly don’t seem any worse than what is already happening. I think the only real difference is optics. The key difference between Biden and Trump is that Trump is an overt racist. Trump overtly hates all Muslims; he doesn’t even try to hide it. And because of this, we assume that Trump will be worse for Gaza than Biden has been. But on closer inspection, there really isn’t much more that Trump can do that Biden hasn’t already been doing. Biden already has the “US support to Israel” dial set to 100%. It simply doesn’t go any higher.
No
Yeah he sat by. Trump will almost definitely encourage and support it fully.
It would have been better because like her hero Biden, she would have quietly said Netty was mean behind closed doors.
She would have kept sending guns and money, and defending them from repercussions so they continue to have free rein to commit genocide, but it would be better.
They didn’t lose the election for Harris. She failed to get voters across the board. And they’re the one group with the most justified reason to vote spitefully and a conveniently “othered” minority to focus on so the people who ran that terrible campaign don’t have to own up for their failures and liberal white America that thought “the Democrats don’t need to do anything for them because they have no other options” can avoid recognizing that that was a bad sentiment with which to build a coalition.
Right… I don’t think there are enough Arab- and Muslim-Americans in PA to swing it, and she needed that to win the election, even if she had won MI. I suspect it was her failed messaging on the economy that made the difference. But we don’t have final numbers yet so it’s hard to tell.
Whereas the incredibly close elections like 2000 or 2016 could be blamed on basically any one group as pleased the accuser, this one is an across the board loss. That’s not going to stop the moderates from trying to scapegoat minorities though, because otherwise they might need to address that a dedicated dive to the center was an abject failure.
Next up on the list, the trans people, who despite being entirely ignored by the campaign are clearly the people who need to be shoved back in a corner for the convenience of white moderates.
Some Dems have already started to blame focusing on trans people’s basic rights as humans as the reason they lost.
Step 1: Avoid anything related to social justice for the entire campaign and never forcefully counter conservative narratives about vulnerable populations.
Step 2: Blame being too woke for losing.