Hey, maybe Californians wanted to see convicted Maga terrorists having to work in labor camps. 🤷♂️
Trump is going to pardon and release those terrorists back into society anyway.
Can’t pardon for state crimes
Trump doesn’t seem to care much about technicalities. He’ll do whatever he wants and the majority in Congress and SCOTUS will be right there with him. He’s got everything right where he wants it now and everyone’s compliant and submissive.
Oh, is he gonna sent federal agents to break into a state prison to free people? You know the federal government only has power when the states complies, but when shit hits the fan, we would have democratic-led states refusing to recognize the federal government, and they’ll have a strong enough GDP to do so.
Yeah, he’ll send the military if he has to. And he’ll force compliance from blue states. The constitution is something that’s only seems valid to him when it bends his way. And now he has SCOTUS to interpret it just the way he wants it.
I doubt he cares that much. They’ve served their purpose for him.
Slavery is wrong, period.
So what happens if you just don’t work? how is it being forced?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_States#Modern_prison_labor_systems
It’s bad.
Alabama: Inmates that refuse to labor face a range of consequences, including solitary confinement and extensions of their sentences.
Florida: Inmates in Florida are forced to perform labor, often under threat of solitary confinement and beatings. These inmates are not paid for the labor they’re made to perform, and unsatisfactory performance can also lead to solitary confinement. In one instance, a prisoner working as a barber was sent to solitary for dropping a hair clipper, while in another, a woman who suffered a breakdown and refused to clean a set of toilets was beaten to the point of full body paralysis.
Louisiana: Refusal to work can be met with solitary confinement and physical beatings.
New York: The jobs inmates are mandated to work range from mundane ones such as tailoring and taxi driving, to more hazardous ones as lead paint and asbestos removal. Inadequate work and/or refusal to work can be punished with beatings.
“Punished with beating”
I’m sorry ? WHAT ? This is so fucked up…
Holy shit I’m 1000% with you, my jaw dropped when it was confirmed by the report of an inmate being “beaten to the point of full body paralysis” 😶
Other countries should sanction US goods and services made with such labor like they do for Chinese goods made with forced labor. I won’t hold my breath though, the world at large was clearly never too upset about the forced labor part or something would have already been done about this.
I agree. Slavery was never really stopped. Big brands like McDonalds use convict labour. Some states will lease a slave/convict to private citizens for things like yard work.
Why would people that benefit from forced labour want to end it? Cheap labour benefits the wealthy - more money to make money with. And to those who think criminals should face actual punishment and pay back society - well: Why would they have a problem with forced labour. And, we have the political spectrum nicely tied up there - at least a majority of it.
If you want to get reform in: You need to address two groups - the “tough on crime” crowd, and the “abuse of prisoners is unacceptable” crowd - and that CAN be done. We need some core changes:
- Restrict Solitary Confinement to violent outburst - and restrict it’s use. After all, our goal is to encourage people to participate not drive people into nonfunctional insanity.
- Create base rate pay that is tied to minimum wage (like 2/3’s of it) with 1/3 going towards a savings fund, and 1/3 for the individual to use on whatever is allowed for them to buy. In effect: There should be a reason to work.
- Increase base rate of repeat offences BUT tie in a labour + rehabilitation program participation as a way to reduce that sentence across the board.
Those three things - increase penalty for uncooperative individuals; It creates an environment of owning responsibility for actions; and it means that prisoners aren’t being paid a fraction of the minimum pay rate of the 1960’s. We can go even further with this:
- The 2/3 of minimum wage is for low security prisoners.
- Medium security prisoners have a lower rate of pay - say 1/2 of minimum wage, with the difference going directly towards restitution costs.
- Violent criminals and high security prisoners gain no rate of pay for 10 years or until restitution is fully paid - whichever comes sooner, and their pay rate is 1/3 of minimum wage with the difference going to restitution costs.
In this way: There is a STRONG incentive to take actions, and efforts that will get you transferred to a lower security prison. We can also do things with half-way houses - and support training programs, and perhaps even voluntary association with a case worker post conviction for individuals that FEEL like they need extra support avoiding re-offending. This is not about reducing, or removing the existing system - but expanding it.
In effect: This entire set of changes is not about reducing the punishment on crime, nor straight up reducing the incarcerated population. Instead: It’s all about PERSONAL responsibility. And maybe, you could actually get THAT kind of reform through.
how is it being forced?
Go rewatch Cool Hand Luke.
And expansion of rent control. And a minimum wage hike.
I voted to get all three taken care of, none passed.
Oh, but Prop 36 passed, so more people can potentially become prison slaves.
Oh and 34 which will ensure that HIV/AIDS orgs, like those that supported prop 33, will not be able to engage in political advocacy. This has truly been a garbage election with garbage people supporting garbage policies or refusing to stand against garbage.
Yeah 34 was essentially a hit on one particular AIDS foundation in LA that’s politically active. Landlord associations took offense and went after them with 34
Check this shit out: https://calmatters.org/california-voter-guide-2024/propositions/prop-34-patient-spending/
As usual voters fell for the packaging rather than actually reading about the effects.
Why is it on the ballot?
The short answer is that a lot of politicians and housing interest groups really don’t like Michael Weinstein.
Not petty at all, nuh-uh!
Though Weinstein has plenty of political foes, a familiar one is funding this initiative: The California Apartment Association, the state’s premier landlord lobby and a major opponent of rent control.
Fucking landlords ruining everything for everyone as usual 🤦🤬
