Trump will make history as the 45th and now 47th president, NBC News projects, saying he will fix an ailing country and despite warnings he will rule as an authoritarian.
The first step towards authoritarian is the revocation of free speach. The only people trying to control that as of present are the left. Ill start listening to what u have to say the second trump bans people speaking their minds in public or puts american citizens people in concentration camps.
if you don’t remember, let me refresh your memory; trump was calling news outlets he didn’t agree with as “fake news”, and even went as far as kicking them out of press conferences in favour of his “approved” journalists.
undermining journalism is how your boy hitler started to rise to power.
if you don’t consider that an impingement on free speech, and you’d rather wait until he does it to the rest of the citizens, then i really have no more words for you.
Free speach is everyone right (yes even the people u dont like) trump can call whoever he wants fake news thats him exercising his free speach.
He can kick em out thats not violating their right to write and say whatever the fuck they want.
Would you consider the government asking twitter to kindly remove a true story from circulation because it would reflect negatively on said stories fathers political endeavours a violation of frew speach or ellection interference?
Why do you think there would a formal revocation of free speech if US did slide into authoritarian, non-democratic rule? This seems counter inuitive. Why bring attention to such a topic if your goal is limiting free speech, surely you would use other more subtle methods to achieve such a goal (again this topic is well researched and you can easily find out how it works if you are actually acting in good faith). Russia (and I believe even China) formally has free speech.
And what makes you think people in the US would oppose trump jailing political opponents (or let alone have the capability do anything about it)? No one is going to openly say that person X is going to jail because he opposes Trump/his backers. You would find some other reason that is easy to market to local plebs? No?
Why do you think there would a formal revocation of free speech if US did slide into authoritarian, non-democratic rule? This seems counter inuitive. Why bring attention to such a topic if your goal is limiting free speech, surely you would use other more subtle methods to achieve such a goal (again this topic is well researched and you can easily find out how it works if you are actually acting in good faith). Russia (and I believe even China) formally has free speech.
Exactly u would be way morw subtle like pressuring all the social media sites where a majority of conversation takes place to remove certain information.
And what makes you think people in the US would oppose trump jailing political opponents (or let alone have the capability do anything about it)? No one is going to openly say that person X is going to jail because he opposes Trump/his backers. You would find some other reason that is easy to market to local plebs? No?
What do u think trumps felonies are? Attempts to jail a political opponent? Righfully earned for hiding the fact he paid of a hooker? Didnt Arnold Schwarzenegger do the same thing?
Am I being unreasonable in my line of thinking?
Not at all u just need to make the final connection
Exactly u would be way morw subtle like pressuring all the social media sites where a majority of conversation takes place to remove certain information.
I am not really sure how this relates to what we were discussing. Let’s add say leftists, Biden, Harris, anyone you want, to the list of authoritarians and oppose free speech. Let’s just close this piece for a second.
Why would you assume that limitations on free speech would be done via a formal, well publicized revocation of a constitution article (from my experience living in the US, polemics around constitution are extremely common when compared to other countries)? Surely if that was your goal, you would use methods that provide a veneer of deniability and you would use roundabout methods (de facto instead of de jure). So how would you even come to the conclusion that free speech is being limited if it is clear that this would be done with the explicit goal of trying to convince people that free speech is not being trampled on?
What do u think trumps felonies are? Attempts to jail a political opponent? Righfully earned for hiding the fact he paid of a hooker? Didnt Arnold Schwarzenegger do the same thing?
OK, same thing. Let’s just say Trump is innocent of any and all issues, it’s all his political opponents.
Why do you think the prosecution of opponents by a regime would be done in the open and in a manner that would make it clear that this is happening? What benefit would the side implementing such initiatives have from doing this in the open, in a way that can be easily noted by the general public? Do you not agree that in the early stages of transition to an autocratic, non-democratic regime it makes more sense to use alternative methods that can convince your own supporters that you are doing the right thing? If it makes it easier, let’s even forget Trump. Just base discussion that can apply to a country’s political sphere (be it in the US or otherwise).
Not at all u just need to make the final connection
What connection am I supposed to make. Even if I agree with your arguments regarding prosecution of Trump and leftists limiting free speech, I don’t see what this to with points I am bringing (which I tried to present in a more generic manner).
You can think Americans are inherently immune to the points I raised. Fine, I obviously disagree (I lived in the US and many other countries, so it would not be possible for me to agree to such a claim), but then you should be explicit about this. State it clearly, if that’s what you believe.
Well im very confident it will remain as free and fair in future elections as it currently is. May even get more fair if he introduces voter id.
I think your confidence in this is exactly why it can happen.
This is not some sort of secret knowledge, the topic of democracies sliding into de facto authoritarianism is a well researched topic.
And the mode by which this happens is often slow and steady, largely driven by complacency and corruption.
The first step towards authoritarian is the revocation of free speach. The only people trying to control that as of present are the left. Ill start listening to what u have to say the second trump bans people speaking their minds in public or puts american citizens people in concentration camps.
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Thats not good faith disscussion thats just insulting me. Im here to have a disscussion about politics not to through insults at eachother.
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How can I be ignorant and a liar? Arnt they mutuality exclusively?
Also is a mod gonna delete ur comment i got one of mine deleted for somthing far less insulting kt is this just lemmy bias?
Waaaaaaah mods savee me from the big meanie who tells me who I truly am!
No. I simpky want them to apply the same rules to me as everyone else.
if you don’t remember, let me refresh your memory; trump was calling news outlets he didn’t agree with as “fake news”, and even went as far as kicking them out of press conferences in favour of his “approved” journalists.
undermining journalism is how your boy hitler started to rise to power.
if you don’t consider that an impingement on free speech, and you’d rather wait until he does it to the rest of the citizens, then i really have no more words for you.
Free speach is everyone right (yes even the people u dont like) trump can call whoever he wants fake news thats him exercising his free speach.
He can kick em out thats not violating their right to write and say whatever the fuck they want.
Would you consider the government asking twitter to kindly remove a true story from circulation because it would reflect negatively on said stories fathers political endeavours a violation of frew speach or ellection interference?
Why do you think there would a formal revocation of free speech if US did slide into authoritarian, non-democratic rule? This seems counter inuitive. Why bring attention to such a topic if your goal is limiting free speech, surely you would use other more subtle methods to achieve such a goal (again this topic is well researched and you can easily find out how it works if you are actually acting in good faith). Russia (and I believe even China) formally has free speech.
And what makes you think people in the US would oppose trump jailing political opponents (or let alone have the capability do anything about it)? No one is going to openly say that person X is going to jail because he opposes Trump/his backers. You would find some other reason that is easy to market to local plebs? No?
Am I being unreasonable in my line of thinking?
Exactly u would be way morw subtle like pressuring all the social media sites where a majority of conversation takes place to remove certain information.
What do u think trumps felonies are? Attempts to jail a political opponent? Righfully earned for hiding the fact he paid of a hooker? Didnt Arnold Schwarzenegger do the same thing?
Not at all u just need to make the final connection
I am not really sure how this relates to what we were discussing. Let’s add say leftists, Biden, Harris, anyone you want, to the list of authoritarians and oppose free speech. Let’s just close this piece for a second.
Why would you assume that limitations on free speech would be done via a formal, well publicized revocation of a constitution article (from my experience living in the US, polemics around constitution are extremely common when compared to other countries)? Surely if that was your goal, you would use methods that provide a veneer of deniability and you would use roundabout methods (de facto instead of de jure). So how would you even come to the conclusion that free speech is being limited if it is clear that this would be done with the explicit goal of trying to convince people that free speech is not being trampled on?
OK, same thing. Let’s just say Trump is innocent of any and all issues, it’s all his political opponents.
Why do you think the prosecution of opponents by a regime would be done in the open and in a manner that would make it clear that this is happening? What benefit would the side implementing such initiatives have from doing this in the open, in a way that can be easily noted by the general public? Do you not agree that in the early stages of transition to an autocratic, non-democratic regime it makes more sense to use alternative methods that can convince your own supporters that you are doing the right thing? If it makes it easier, let’s even forget Trump. Just base discussion that can apply to a country’s political sphere (be it in the US or otherwise).
What connection am I supposed to make. Even if I agree with your arguments regarding prosecution of Trump and leftists limiting free speech, I don’t see what this to with points I am bringing (which I tried to present in a more generic manner).
You can think Americans are inherently immune to the points I raised. Fine, I obviously disagree (I lived in the US and many other countries, so it would not be possible for me to agree to such a claim), but then you should be explicit about this. State it clearly, if that’s what you believe.
It’s not the left banning books, dipshit.
Its not trump either is it?
Nope, instead they just call up big tech social media and say please censor these posts because the WHO says so
Does it hurt being that stupid?