“Translation: all the times Tesla has vowed that all of its vehicles would soon be capable of fully driving themselves may have been a convenient act of salesmanship that ultimately turned out not to be true.”
Another way to say that, is Tesla scammed all of their customers, since you know, everyone saw this coming…
Took my first drive as a passenger in a FSD Tesla the other day. I was rapidly underwhelmed. I mean, yeah…it’s pretty cool the car drives itself, to an extent. But even as a passenger I was struck by the number of times I would have taken the wheel and made the car do what it was supposed to. Hesitant pulling forward to turn, hesitant pulling out into traffic after a turn, wrong speed for the road, abrupt turns… Did it get us there? Sure. Did it do a good job? Mid at best. Probably better as an anti-fatigue measure on highway drives instead of taking you places in town. I would not pay for FSD were I to own a Tesla…at least it seems really inappropriate for the kind of driving I do.
It’s funny because what you describe is way BETTER than I would have expected. LOL.
It’s only killed a few people recently, so I assume it has to work pretty well at least 99% of the time. Though it’s really funny watching tech bros talk about how great it is and then seeing it blow a stop sign.
The best use cases I can think of for full self-driving are the elderly, the visually impaired, the drunk, the disabled, and the easily distracted.
Eh… If full self driving got to where it needs to be then it would be safer for everyone if all vehicles were full self driving.
The safest driver is a predictable driver. When vehicles are subject to algorithms and are programmed to obey the laws of the road, and have open constant communication of their intentions with other vehicles, you can’t get any more predictable than that.
I say this as someone who drives for a living, too. I don’t think it’s happening any time soon, but full autonomous would be way safer than people.
so like the autopilot in Elite Dangerous. will it get you there? sure. will it get you there fast? …not exactly.
Better than the autopilot in eve…
Will it get us there in one piece? Probably
Friendship drive charging
probably knew long ago, just strung em out for funding
I can’t help but think he’s saying this now as an attempt to distract from the stories of "Musk has been talking to Putin since the spring when they were both faced with problems: Musk being forced to buy Xitter and Putin unable to steal Ukraine. Odd how Musk has been becoming more rabidly pro-Russian-interests, isn’t it?
I rather think he’s trying to tank the Tesla stock price lately. No idea why though.
He wants in on the new authoritarian regime. Slowing down or stopping electric cars is on their to do list.
I feel like this is a recurring theme for the silicon valley billionaires and we reached “Peak Bullshit” at NFTs and ever since then one thing after another has hit wall after wall
Can’t wait for the supporters to come out and gas light buyers instead: "uh, well of course they couldn’t. He didn’t lie you just don’t understand tech…!
I work in IT and people that think like that can fuck themselves. “What do you mean Meta lied by selling your data to a company you didn’t know about. Maybe you should just have never trusted Meta.”
Stupid fucking boot lickers.
To be fair to Meta, they did tell you they might do that. They didn’t lie. They just told you in the find print of an already convoluted and arcane legal document that they know most people would never read, fewer would understand, and no one could do anything to change.
So unlike Tesla, where they did lie about FSD’s capabilities, and that is at best false advertising but probably actually fraud, Meta at least had a thin veneer of plausible deniability against accusations of being liars when they sold your data to unknown third-parties because they did tell you about it, you just needed a law degree to understand what they were telling you.
Olympic level mental gymnasts
“Fuck that particular con, I have a president in my pocket now.”
Never buy a product for a non existent feature that’s promised in update.
you just angered the entire AI/singularity community. Expect a sternly worded, AI-generated notice.
The letter is not here yet you liar
The letter is not here yet you liar
A sternly worded, AI-generated notice:
While it’s understandable to be cautious about buying a product based on promised updates, there are several reasons why it can still be a reasonable decision:
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Trust in the Brand: Many companies have a track record of delivering on their promises. If a brand has a history of providing valuable updates and features, it may be worth trusting that they will continue to do so.
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Current Value: Even if a product has promised future features, it often provides substantial value in its current state. Users can benefit from the existing features while looking forward to enhancements.
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Community and Ecosystem: Some products thrive in a vibrant community where users share tips, tricks, and workarounds. The support of an active user base can enhance the product experience even before promised features are released.
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Long-term Investment: In fast-paced technology markets, many products evolve over time. Buying early can sometimes give users a competitive edge or ensure they are part of the development process, influencing future updates.
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Risk vs. Reward: While there’s a risk that promised features may not materialize, the potential reward—enhanced functionality, improved performance, or even a price drop due to demand—can make the investment worthwhile.
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Feedback Opportunities: Early adopters often have a voice in the development of future updates. Engaging with a product before all features are released can allow users to provide valuable feedback that shapes the final product.
In conclusion, while it’s prudent to be wary of non-existent features, evaluating the overall value, the brand’s reputation, and potential benefits can justify the purchase.
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Just like early-access games.
This is the epitome of American “ingenuity” as it promises, promises, promises, and no-one ever actually delivers.
Just. Like. Trump.
Trump is the most American president we’ve ever had.
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This was the inevitable result even years ago. When self-driving cars were the hot topic and several companies were doing their own thing, that’s when it should have been obvious it was never going to happen. It’s not a problem any one independent company was ever going to solve, especially quickly. For to work it would have to be an open source, global standard with several companies working together.
I mean you’d have to build out a massive amount of infrastructure to further support it. All vehicles would have to have a module in it that would communicate with everything else around it, regardless if it was self-driving or not. There can’t be a premium model, or a subscription, ect., it would need to just be there and work.
The overall task to get this done was never going to be quick, easy, or cheap. This was always going to be bigger than any one single company and a handful of engineers. It’s going to take the effort of many companies and governments all working selflessly.
The self refers to the person driving the car
Translation: all the times Tesla has vowed that all of its vehicles would soon be capable of fully driving themselves may have been a convenient act of salesmanship that ultimately turned out not to be true."
There’s a word for that already. Lied. They/He lied.
No need for 30 words when 2 will do.
They Lied.
Maybe one extra world: They lied maliciously.
Also, they did so repeatedly, over a very long time and while it must have been fully apparent with insider knowledge that this setup cannot work.
He said it would exist by 2019 and you would be able to use your car as a taxi when not using it. Even made claims about how it will Delray costs. That’s all sorts of other extra business legal words like fraud.
I thought he said they would replace the modules to support FSD?
He did. Right in this article it says that they will upgrade the older models for free. This whole post is a circle jerk for Elon haters. I mean, I despise the guy as well but I don’t find distortions to be a useful outlet for that.
What we have is one generation of Tesla cars that might need a free hardware upgrade to fully deliver on the promises that were made.
What the post and most of the comments heard is “no Tesla can ever self drive and Elon scammed everyone and laughed to the bank.”
It’s just embarrassing. At this point I filter Elon content not only because I don’t want to hear what the jerk has done today, but because he whips people up into such a stupor so efficiently.
It really is embarrassing. It’s a common theme on Lemmy, Reddit too but not the extremes in large casual subs.
Left and right both bullshit and exaggerate so many of these stories and it makes them both look like clowns.
But hey, I’m fully prepared for a bunch of downvotes because this place has the self reflection of a fucking mop.
P.s. May Biden become supreme overlord and drink the blood of all those who run on a ballot against him.
Elon hate != leftism.
Leftist falsehoods != right wing falsehoods (not even close man)
And this thread != some kind of teaching moment for leftists.
I think that’s all probably where your downvotes are coming from.
More like most of us don’t care to read past the headline.
Yup this is his copout so he doesn’t have to produce an entry level vehicle all while cozying up to Trump so he doesn’t have to compete with the rest of the world on EVs
salesmanship
You mean false advertisement
Right. Good salespeople listen to customers, not try to sell them something they a) don’t need or b) won’t work as advertised.
Let’s not split hairs lol
It’s pure grift.
Or just fraud
Worse than that. Fraud. He’s scammed people out of millions.
Nah a judge determined it was just " puffery " and obviously he didn’t really mean self driving
I believe that some technological ideas can work. The problem is that ideas that are under people like Musk, are doomed to always fail and will be seen as negative.
Elon Musk sucks.
People also shouldn’t sell things to end users before they’ve invented them
As ever, things that succeed with Musk as the figurehead succeed despite him not because of him.
The problem is that ideas that are under people like musk, are doomed to always fail
Like electric cars, like reusable rockets…
Yep Elon famously invented the first electric car and the first reusable spacecraft. He did it in his garage with his own two hands!
Read your damn history.
SpaceX is basically 100% Elon’s creation. He was founder, Tom Mueller (who designed the Merlin rocket engine) was the first employee period
Tesla was Elon and a few other people who had seen a good electric roadster, but it had been a one-off that that company was not going to produce. They decided they wanted to produce an electric roadster, so they did. Initially, Martin Eberhard was in charge of the company and Elon was just an investor. Search archive.org for the original Tesla blog. It’s all laid out. I know this because I was following them while it was happening.
Eberhard was in charge, and they were going for a setup with a two-speed gearbox. There was to be no clutch, just a synchromesh to allow shifting. Problem is, shifting at 10,000+ RPM under heavy load is mechanically stressful, and they were having a lot of trouble getting the gearbox to work reliably. After a good year of screwing with this, they were burning through cash and not getting close to actually shipping a car. That’s when Elon stepped in, pushed Eberhard out, and took over Tesla. Elon quickly switched to a setup with a single speed non-shifting gearbox (much easier to build, much less expensive, and will basically last forever as long as you lubricate it) and a larger and better cooled electric motor to deliver the required torque that they wouldn’t get from a lower speed gear. That setup is still in use today in all Teslas.
Wow. What a visionary 🙄
I’m not saying he’s not an asshole. But he is a visionary.
And right now, if he wasn’t up Trump’s ass, you’d probably be saying he’s a visionary without sarcasm.
He wasn’t up Trump’s ass like a month ago. That’s a fairly recent development.
Okay Trump is recent, but his whole change of focus since buying Twitter is where public opinion on him shifted. That started a shift in public statement more toward the libertarian or perhaps conservative and that made him unpopular with a lot of the liberals who previously liked him for pushing environmental causes.
Now that he pushes conservative and libertarian ideals, supports a Republican candidate, he becomes persona non grata. That may well be valid, but it should not take away recognition of his other accomplishments. If he’s now an asshole, he can be a visionary asshole. Becoming an asshole doesn’t mean he isn’t or wasn’t a visionary.
