cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/4197518
Historically, China’s government influenced family planning, enforcing the one-child policy. This policy involved harsh fines and forced abortions. Today, the focus has shifted, encouraging families to have more children. As China faces an aging population, the government sees this as an economic necessity.
Officials have begun knocking on doors, asking women about their family planning intentions. Many report being questioned about personal details. These questions reflect the shift from limiting families to promoting larger ones.
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The government is collaborating with universities to promote marriage and childbirth. Leaders also stress this message at political gatherings, urging women to have children. This push makes it harder for women to ignore state pressure.
In many cases, officials visit homes to track women’s progress after childbirth. Some are even asked to pose for photographs with their babies for official records. These actions make many women uncomfortable, crossing into personal boundaries.
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Many women feel these efforts are disconnected from reality. The cost of raising children is high in urban China, making large families unrealistic for most. Career demands and personal goals further complicate the decision to have children.
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China is not only trying to increase birth rates. The government also wants to change the culture around family. They promote a “new marriage and childbearing culture.” Once tasked with limiting births, family planning associations are now encouraging families to grow.
Health and Government Surveillance
For many women, government involvement begins even before marriage. Officials often monitor couples’ plans after free health screenings. During these appointments, women receive advice on when to have children. Many women later receive calls encouraging them to pick up free prenatal supplements.
This monitoring doesn’t end with marriage. Government websites advise pregnant women to register at community health centers, which are run by local officials and keep track of pregnancies. Some women appreciate the support, but others find it intrusive. The constant check-ins feel like surveillance rather than care.
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China sure likes maximal interference in family planning.
Step 1: ONLY ONE BABY!
Step 2: MAXIMUM BABIES!
It should be fun watching a whole generation of only-children trying to parent 5 at a time.
The parents won’t be the ones parenting, they’ll be working. The grandparents and great grandparents will be parenting
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These idiots are gonna chase away their young, single women, who they have little of already. No wonder they come to the west for school and just marry a guy there
War preparations
I suspect we may see a lot of countries get pushy about trying to encourage people to have kids. There were lots of short term economic benefits to pushing families into having both partners working, but in the long term countries are still built around needing a growing population to do well.
You can offset lower birthrates with immigration to an extent, but itherwise we would need pretty major social changes to sustain society if birth rates continue to decline.
We don’t need a growing population, but it can’t shrink fast. We can probably even handle a slow shrinking, but a birth rate of .6 (which some countries are getting to) is low enough to be a real problem. Stable population needs a birthrate of a bit over 2 (1 child for every adult, and a few extra to account for accidents - how much extra depends on factors like how good your medical care is).
Of course the above is statistics. Some people have terrible genetics and shouldn’t have kids. Many people would be terrible parents (but few are willing to admit it is them - ironically many who will admit it would be good parents). And raising kids is takes a lot of effort (it isn’t as expensive as those without kids think, but it does take a lot of time) - all good parents have to give up a ton of things they currently do (in countries with the worst birth rates this is often working too many hours, but even countries with reasonable working hours are seeing concerningly low birth rates) .
Maybe they shouldn’t have murdered all their female babies?
I’m actually really surprised that males / females are born at close to 50 / 50. A village with 97 women and 3 men will reproduce faster than the inverse. We are at 52% women to be more precise so this has at least begun to be part of our evolution.
Males are actually born at a higher rate than females, but just tend to die younger, which is why there are more females than males generally.
I would suggest that’s because you’re looking at it from a narrow perspective. There is a lot more going on in human life than just that. As generally monogamous creatures, a near even split makes a lot of sense.
I dont see any evidence that humans are naturally monogamous
I doubt you ever will.
I’m actually really surprised that males / females are born at close to 50 / 50.
A population in which births are overwhelmingly female means those who give birth to males have an advantage in passing down their genetic material. In your scenario a man will likely have more descendants than a woman, so genes that arise promoting male children would be favored. If you reverse the ratio and the population is overwhelmingly male then being female gives you an advantage and genes promoting female children would become favored. So you get a tug of war that balances out at roughly 50/50. This is known as Fischer’s principle.
Bam, wow. That explains it. Thank you.
This is quite dystopian. Actually showing up it people’s homes, yikes.
And it’s far from the worst things they’re going to do about their declining population. This is why we don’t want authoritarianism.
To see how it gets worse, look at history. Specifically Decree 770 in Romania in 1967 source
"Enforcement: To enforce the decree, society was strictly controlled. Contraceptives were removed from sale and all women were required to be monitored monthly by a gynecologist.[3]: 6 Any detected pregnancies were followed until birth. The secret police kept a close eye on hospital procedures. "
Sounds like some Project 2025 shit.
Republicans banning birth control and criminalizing abortion actually seems worse than the door-to-door inquiries to me. Both are pretty disgusting.
This kind of direct home visit has been happening for years in Muslim regions of China, for different reasons. At least these pregnancy visits (ugh feels gross to even talk about) don’t involve home stays, but any time the state shows up at your door to surveil your family, your human rights have been violated. It’s incredibly invasive and dystopian.
“Muslim families across Xinjiang are now literally eating and sleeping under the watchful eye of the state in their own homes,” said Maya Wang, senior China researcher at Human Rights Watch.
In early 2018, Xinjiang authorities extended this “home stay” program. Cadres spend at least five days every two months in the families’ homes. There is no evidence to suggest that families can refuse such visits.
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The problem are the extremes either way. The population sustaining birth rate is 2.1 children per women. A healthy society should aim for that and then slightly lower to slowly shrink and then stabilize at a good level.
Obviously “aim for” means to create the right circumstances that people who want to have children have good support for it, while people who dont want have children have their choice equally respected.
Maybe the one child per family policy was a bad policy…
It’s funny how the Chinese government can’t admit to making any mistakes. This would only prove they are human.
It sounds like the one-child policy is doing exactly what it was meant to.
What are you talking about,
we were always at war with eurasiathis has been policy since forever
This is maybe a devastating example why centralization and central planning is a bad and dehumanizing act for individuals in a society. There is a good documentary about China’s so-called “Ghost Children”. These are those who were born as younger siblings during China’s One Child policy.
The documentary was made in 2014. It shows how quickly things can change, and how people suffer now and then due to bad politics.
It’s really worth your time.
China’s Ghost Children – (video, 36 min)
Second or third children born illegally during China’s One Child Policy - implemented between 1979 and 2015 to curb the country’s population growth by restricting many families to a single child - are banned from marrying, having children or simply boarding a train. Condemned to a non-life, these ghost children do not officially exist according to the Chinese state. ARTE Reportage goes in search of these ‘Haihaizi’, those children who should not have been born.
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