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    I don’t like Harris very much. But the fact that half the country is willing to choose a deranged con artist over her is just beyond any rational thought.

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        It’s all fear based. They think the migrants coming across the border are coming to take their job, rape them, break into their home, shop at the same Walmart as them, etc.

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          I’ve lately been watching some radio shows on the BBC, and it’s wild to see the same things happening over there. I don’t know if it’s just how modern society has become or if it spread from us or them, but take away the British accents and the names and policies, and it’s the same insanity. What the hell is wrong with people?

          • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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            Russia created a network of wannabe autocrats, and they are pushing each other all across the globe.

            That’s it, that’s most of all of it.

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    I got worried at first, but upon further inspection this is a return2ozma post.

    Nothing here is truthful or holds any merit.

    Good day

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    It boggles the mind that this sack of shit is even in the running.

    He has the charisma of a wet sponge (and the appearance of someone you’d think twice before buying a used car from), he can hardly string together a sentence (let alone hold a speech), hi lies, he commits fraud, he’s a convicted felon…

    That’s hardly brushing the surface, yet people go “fuck yeah, this guy should run the country”.

    Jeebuz fuckin christ… what’s happening?

    Unless you got home schooled by Heinrich Himmler, there’s no excuse. You can’t possibly offer your political support to such a scumbag.

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      I was at a pumpkin patch 25 minutes out of Chicago on Saturday and there was a man proudly wearing a shirt with Trump on it and the shirt said, “I’m voting for the convicted felon”. His voter base does not fucking care, at all.

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        They are under the assumption that both sides are equally bad and want to see it all burn down I think. They don’t think much further however.

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          I know a lot of Trump supporters. Without fail their support is based on hate. LGBTQ, immigrants, the belief that Democrats are child molesters, etc. I’ve heard it all. They don’t know what his policies are, nor do they care.

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        I’m willing to believe someone could have voted for Trump the first time in good faith. Voting for him again after seeing the shitshow of his first term, however…

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        President Camacho legitimately wanted to find solutions to the problems his constituents faced, AND he had the wisdom and self-awareness to know he needed someone smarter than himself in order to achieve that. He’s willing to try things and change his mind when he is presented with new information. Furthermore, when he is successful, he shares the credit equitably with the other people involved.

        We’re doing much worse than Idiocracy.

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          Idiocracy was a movie working from the naive assumption that people are greedy and shortsighted, and that these attributes lead to social (and eventually genetic) decay.

          Americans have to deal with a much harder truth. That being smart doesn’t make you virtuous and lust for power more than simple hedonistic greed is what cultivates the worst social policies. Our story is a story of pure hubris. Its a story of reasonably intelligent and educated people gaming a system that causes pain in order to pay them a profit.

          We’re doing much worse than Idiocracy.

          America’s sins aren’t sloth or lust or gluttony nearly so much as they are wrath and pride.

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        Its not just the EC. That exists, yes, but its not the biggest stumbling block for team D’, this is:

        Trump historically outperforms his polling. In 2020, even though he lost, he over performed his polling by 8 points. As in, he lost 2020, but he should have lost way worse based on what polling indicates. This is most-likely an issue with “likely voter” demographics models, in that Trump voters are regularly under surveyed as the don’t look like likely voters on paper.

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          Don’t you think the pollsters have compensated for that by now? This has been known for years and years.

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            Yeah thats a great question. Short answer, no, I don’t. Long answer, is that its complicated and too hard to know. Safe answer is, just assume the above as the best guess for what biases will look like on election day.

            The problem with being able to compensate for what the above data show is that you have to have extremely good demographic models, specifically for demographics you didn’t capture in your original sample. I think part of the reason why stochastic modeling misses these things is that its not really a forwards-in-time facing type of analysis. You can’t compensate for a future state if that state is unknown, you can only go backwards to account for your prior (but even that is still facing backwards).

            However, I don’t agree that stochastic models are where we should stop with trying to understand these kinds of things. There are plenty of phenomena where we engage with a range of classes of models to try to get an idea of where things should be. Some examples of these are things like process based models, which are a kind of simulation to estimate based on some parameterization, how things came to be. You’ll often do a kind of bayesian filtering on these kinds of models to get down to results that match your data, then use the priors to hopefully understand something about the system. So in the context of electoral politics, it would be trying to understand why someone gets off the couch to vote, or join a movement, or whatever.

            So I think that the data in these stochastic samples are good, but the problem is that voting really isn’t a random effect. I think the results are likely good, but they are only going to be as good as the last time the voter demographics were sampled (if they were even updated for that), and then as relevant as those demographics are to the actually electorate who shows up when November 5th rolls around.

            A great example of this phenomena in play was the Bernie/ Hillary primary race in 2016. Hillary had the support of basically every mainstream media outlet on the left, all of the DNC, all of Washington. Yet, she was on-track to lose until the DNC stepped in and put their thumbs on the scales. Why? How was that possible? How was Bernie out-performing all of his polls?

            Bernie was outperforming his polls because he wasn’t drawing on the same distribution of voters for whom polls are focused. He was turning disengaged, non-voters, into engaged participants in a process. And you can’t measure that with your last demographic sample, because according to your best most recent measurement: those people don’t vote.

            Trump does something very similar. He is gathering disenfranchised, disengaged, non-voters and turning them into voters. And you’ll never capture that with a polling model based on last elections voter demographics, when the strategy is to fundamentally shift the demographics.

            If pollsters were to massively weight their numbers as I’m describing, Democrats would be getting thunked right now. Its why having a >5% polling advantage going into election day is so important for Democrats.

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              Thank you for a good write-up. Much appreciated.

              I still think Trump is such a well-known commodity now and all of this is nothing new. We’ve been talking about his “hidden voters” so much for so long that I actually think polls may be overcompensating a bit for that. Or at least they could be pretty well calibrated for it at this point. Guess we’ll see in less than a month.

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                I still think Trump is such a well-known commodity now and all of this is nothing new. We’ve been talking about his “hidden voters” so much for so long that I actually think polls may be overcompensating a bit for that.

                I would be ecstatic for that to be the case. Unfortunately, both the 2016, and 2020 polling disagree. But right now, the data we have at our disposal do not support that case.

                I’m curious what you think pollsters are doing when you say:

                Or at least they could be pretty well calibrated for it at this point.

                Like, in stochastic modeling, you have to do things like having a truly random sample to develop your statistics on. Pollsters hands are kind-of tied in this regards and the data is mostly available for download. I’m curious if you think there is some kind of demographic weighting that you think pollsters are doing on the back end?

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                  Yes, I definitely think pollsters are compensating for Trump’s hidden voters by now. Like you say, they’ve had both 2016 and 2020 to get it worked into the polling. It’s rare to get three tries to work it out. I’d be very surprised if they undercount it again.

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      Democrats keep conceding right-leaning policies as if Republicans actually just want those policies

      Republicans are reactionary - they don’t just want tougher immigration policies. They want to hurt immigrants. If democrats push right, Republicans will just go further.

      There is no moderate right-wing position that can win over moderate Republicans that they can’t beat by going further right.

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      Blame the polls if you want. The race is a coin flip. I find it hard to stomach too, but I’m not in denial about it.