• secret300@lemmy.sdf.org
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    24 days ago

    My dumbass didn’t think “damn Spotify doesn’t pay artists”

    Instead I immediately thought “damn more people are paying for their onlyfans than listening to their music”

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    26 days ago

    The article contradicts the heck out of itself.

    Says billboard estimates she earns roughly $4k a day from Spotify streams. Then they speculate she makes roughly 8k a month from OnlyFans.

    That would be like $120k a month from Spotify and $8k a month from OnlyFans.

    That is FAR from more money from OnlyFans. Even if those numbers are hugely off I don’t see how the discrepancy would be THAT large.

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      25 days ago

      The article didn’t contradict itself since it did not make the claim that she made more money from Only Fans, the celebrity did. They just posted the estimated revenue from both services which doesn’t match up with what she said. The only conclusions we can come up with is either their estimation is completely off or she was exaggerating her example.

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      26 days ago

      That also happens to be exactly the kind of math error AI is notorious for making. I bet the article was written by AI and likely not even proofread by a human.

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        25 days ago

        Or it wasn’t making any kind of claim and just posting what the celebrity claimed and providing estimated revenue from both service based on what she claimed. Why are you falsely blaming this on AI for no reason?

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        26 days ago

        Hmm, so we may have a culprit in the case of the missing money.

        And although I like Lily, she’s not really done a lot of music recently, and was never really that big outside the UK.

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          I wouldn’t really call it “missing” while it seems kinda shocking at first that labels take that much of a cut, people don’t really realise just how many people are involved in music production. From marketing to designers to video editors, social media teams, managers that get them interviews and talk shows and spots at festivals etc. And then all the overhead that comes with those jobs, so finance, HR, IT and facilities etc.

          So 1/3 is actually pretty decent and a much bigger cut of the profits than most people get from their labour.

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    Perhaps this just means people value her feet more than music? I’m not into feet, but I really didn’t like her music, so maybe this is reasonable.

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      The article is just garbage, it says it’s estimated she makes 4k a day with Spotify and 8k a month with OF

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        The article didn’t claim she made more money on OnlyFans than on Spotify, Lily Allen did. They just then provided the estimated revenue from both services using the numbers claimed by her. It could be that they used the wrong estimation for one or both of the revenues, but what’s more likely is that Lily Allen exaggerated her example.

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      26 days ago

      Not really. It just means onlyfans pays more than Spotify… which seems obvious to me??? A direct subscription to an artist vs only a few cents per play… yeah, no brainer, the artist is going to make less money in the latter deal.

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    26 days ago

    Something I’ve noticed in British media as of late is that OnlyFans makes some serious money - enough so that a creator can essentially use local journalism as an outlet for promoting their page.

    I doubt some of the figures, but if you were to dig into them you’d probably see that number after the media have basically told people “look! Lily Allen has OnlyFans!”

    Alongside that, funny enough, OnlyFans is probably one of the UK’s biggest tech success stories. They make a lot of money, have only a few employees, and are basically leaders in their field. That’s probably another weighing towards this being a promo piece.

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    26 days ago

    Seeing how this thread is full of hate for Spotify by seeming large number of people who are fans of streaming music/podcast services, I’ll pos this question here:

    What are the better alternatives for someone seeking to get their favored audios, in terms of library selection, able to form custom playlists and how much if any support to the artist/content creator actually gets to them and what is pocketed by the app?

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      26 days ago

      Buy CDs, rip them to FLAC, and self-host something like Plex + Plexamp. Plexamp is a very nice app, but I’m sure there’s others.

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      Go to their concerts, buy the official merchandise and get CD’s or pay the whole albums like on qobuz (they also have streaming, but they sell hi-res flac)

      Streaming is not designed to benefit the artist

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      26 days ago

      Tidal, or buy albums and self host if you’re up for it but I feel like that’s not a real option for most.

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          At a recent (niche) music festival, they said it takes 50,000 streaming songs to pay the artist as much as a single CD sale.

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          That is a complex question but my line of thought is this: artists have accepted legal agreements on how to sell/stream their work and how much they get for it. You as a consumer don’t need to worry about this. If there is a way to buy/stream the product legally then the artist has approved of getting money that way.

          Basically i don’t think this should be a point to discourage buying audio and owning it. The alternative is never owning music and tough luck if a song gets pulled because of legal disputes or whatever.

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            tough luck if a song gets pulled because of legal disputes or whatever.

            This is the thing I hated about Google Play Music. I had some playlists where half of the songs were missing due to various issues between Google and the music labels.

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      There are none.

      All of the services steal from artists, so I’d recommend ripping MP3 tracks from Youtube. There are several tools online for this purpose. Yes, the artist gets nothing, but the more important thing is the services stealing from the artists don’t get anything either.

      Do this and then compensate the artist in other ways. Buy music directly from them if you can, or buy their merch, or something of that ilk.

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        I’d recommend ripping MP3 tracks

        This is how you end up with a library of very low quality tracks. YouTube’s compression isn’t great.

        Yes, the artist gets nothing, but the more important thing is the services stealing from the artists don’t get anything either.

        Why do you feel that YouTube is different to those other services? Does YouTube pay more per view than Spotify pays per listen?

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          Totally, man.

          I’m sure they miss the two bucks a year they get off Spotify more than they like the $25 they get for a t-shirt from me.

          The thief is Daniel Ek, and no one knows that better than recording artists.

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            26 days ago

            If you really do that with every artist you listen to then sure.

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    I’m a girl, in a healthy BMI and with nice hair, pretty and freckled face, but my feet are super crappy. Like, crusty, toes bend at weird angles, hard skin in random places. Even my own husband is like “plz no, stop” if they get too near to him.

    I’m now wondering if there’s a market on the other end of the scale…

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      Due to the people being people, who knows who has what kinks. I suppose there is only one way to find out.

      And no, I’m not into feet myself.

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      It is my firm belief that, given a proper pitch, ANYTHING can be sold at a profit.

      Also, there’s rule 34: If a thing exists, it’s someones fetish.

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        If it exists there is porn of it… Not sure where you got that other version from

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          You can probably extrapolate from “if it exists, there is porn of it (no exceptions)”.

          If there is porn of something, the most likely reason is that someone has a fetish for it.

          If the person making the porn doesn’t have a fetish for said thing, then they’re making it for an existing market of people.

          QED, you can say “if it exists, someone has a fetish for it”

          P.S: What if there isn’t porn of something? Rule 35 states that if it doesn’t exist, it will be made.

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            Just because you can extrapolate something from it, doesn’t mean you can change the words in the rule. They got the rule wrong, simple as that.

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            You have fundamentally misunderstood millennial meme culture ca. 2006 (roughly when the rules were made).

            No one having a fetish for it would be extremely motivating to create such porn. People realized after it was made that they had a fetish for it. See: Shrek.

            So technically you can still say “if it exists, someone has a fetish for it” but you’ve relied on correlation to determine causation and gotten it backwards. This is a great example of why we don’t do that.

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      Post pictures of them on Onlyfans.

      Add the caption “Listen up, degenerates. I’ll only warn you once. I will release a new photo, closer than the previous, every hour, on the hour, until my subscriber goal is met.”

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      There is. There’s a fetish for everything. Certainly when it involves your feet, I’d ask your husband if he’d be ok with some internet strangers paying you every month to see your feet, the worst is he says no, and on the other hand if he says yes you have a second source of easy income

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      I used to know a dude that would have gotten hard at your written description here. No bullshit. Dude was obsessed with feet, and what he called “real feet” were his particular favorite. Feet that had seen some life, had been used was one of the few things he would talk about. Literally obsessive about feet.

      I guarantee he is not the only one. The only question is if there’s enough like that to make any useful money out of a feet only business.

      There’s something about foot fetishists that’s extra obsessive compared to any other fetishists I’ve run across over the years.

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        See, I can kinda get it for some elegant and well kept ones and I’d definitely down for some foot play in such cases. But I don’t know if that would even classify as a foot fetish when I constantly hear about how bad people have it for the (pardon) “ugly” and unkempt ones, which I just find weird.

        But yeah… I mean, there’s like 8 billion people on this planet. There’s always some niche where one fits into that would get someone off and could be capitalized if they’d be willing to do so. Just keep in mind that you’re, in the end, still selling your body for sex in a way.

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          To be honest, I’d rather sell my body for sex instead of selling my body to backbreaking warehouse work

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        I wonder how onlyfans pay model works. If they take a percentage and you don’t need to put any initial funds down to start then you’ll basically have nothing to lose.

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      Some people just don’t like feet / being near them etc. Had girlfriends who would freak out if we somehow touched feet (even with socks on).