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I still have a geocities page, can’t login to it, but it’s still up.
I learned everything I know from CSShelp the Kougra. It’s a shame that her page has since been replaced with the species default. It was such a great resource.
Literally why I started HTML and then into programming. Had to do those sick absolute position overlays on the club pages of Neopets.
Myspace also got a number of people playing with HTML and CSS if I remember correctly. It’s been years. Not sure CSS is actually even used anymore. I enjoyed web design classes back in the 2000s. Macromedia still owned Dreamweaver and it wasn’t all that great, so I could still do better by hand. I haven’t played around with any of it in years now, but I assume those programs have GUIs that blow away anything that can be written in notepad like back then.
If you’ve never trouble shot 100 pages of JavaScript in notepad because you didn’t have access to other tools, you haven’t had “fun” before. …fucking nightmare. Find out you put an extra space somewhere.
The better you got though you’d narrow down finding those errors quickly, and then eventually find out a fucking free program will color code the shit and tell you to look at line 232 because it doesn’t make sense
CSS is still used. Modern web toolkits like bootstrap and tailwind can reduce or eliminate the need to write CSS explicitly. Some tools like Sass extend CSS. They all generally produce regular CSS that gets read by the browser.
CSS is still used.
Modern CSS is pretty different to MySpace-era CSS though. Floats are practically never used any more, absolute positioning is a lot rarer than it used to be, and flexbox and CSS grid have made making page layouts far easier. There’s also many things we can do with pure CSS now that used to require JS.
You just gave me horrible flashbacks of Dreamweaver.
I made an entire syllabus for my high school using on mouse over effects and drop downs with course descriptions, prerequisites and mappings for all future courses/paths. That was around 2005 or 2006. I didnt bother with Dreamweaver because how frustrating it was. Wrote the entire thing by hand using notepad. I don’t even think I did it for a grade, it was just me being so sick of us not having a proper syllabus that you could access online. Just printed copies that would say you need to have this prerequisite, but it didn’t list what page that other course was on so you had to flip around all over to find it and then figure out what prerequisites were needed there. Got so frustrated I just made my own.
When we were going to move into a new place a year later or so my girlfriend at the time and I were trying to figure out what furniture we wanted or how we would want to situate things to fit in our new place. We couldn’t visualize what each other were saying well and know if desks/dressers what not would fit where we wanted. Thus I opened my old web pages, took the blueprint map for the apartment and created a quick drag and drop web page where you could take each item with a name on it and drag it into rooms, place them all where we wanted and then she could play with it and see what didn’t fit side by side due to size, and screen shot what she liked/didn’t like. Having previous projects put together and being able to just copy previous scripts, probably took me 45 mins to throw together. Settled all issues of “that probably won’t fit” and let her play with it when I was at work.
Overkill, possibly… but it was fun at the time (The syllabus took a long ass time, but that had intentions of the school being able to use it off their website to allow students/parents help plan their own futures)
and geocities and myspace
I coded HTML for the first time in 2002. So I have 22 years experience. Anyone want to see my ASCII art?
Anyone want to see my ASCII art?
Yes
Here is an old archive that never got updated after I got my own domain. https://asciipr0n.com/fp/
Very nice.
How much?
Very
Thats dope
No shame in being self taught.
There should be pride in being self taught. Although it’s hard to do it
hardright (as in: do your own research).
I don’t know why she’s nervous, she clearly knew the spec well and didn’t have to resort to modern abstraction frameworks to serve a simple static site.
And she did it all in notepad
It’s overkill for static sites, but credit should be given to JSX for being a decent way to create DOM nodes dynamicly. You can use a JSX transformer without using React, too.
Or hear me out, nobody should give random credit to any framework for no reason whatsoever
JSX is a language, not a framework…
Ok?
The absolute horseshit that things like Facebook consist of make me wonder if half the people who work on it have even made an HTML page from scratch.
Usually, no.
Some of the pieces of information on posts is drawn with the canvas element.
Yeah totally
yeah, but if you don’t use wordpress to serve 3 static webpages, how will you get repeated business when it doesn’t get hacked in 3 years?
You obviously include a busy loop in JavaScript that takes exponentially more time each year. Then every few years you change the base year
Just make sure the exponential growth is faster than Moore’s law, or they might never notice it.
Moore’s law has stalled for years now. Single thread performance is still going up but taking around 1 decade to double.
That’s not what Moore’s law is, that’s one of the (former) effects of it. Moore’s law is about transistor density, and its increase remains roughly constant.
The logo! It’s on fire!
Neopets, GaiaOnline, MySpace, to name the biggest three
Gaia online is a serious nostalgia trip wow
Reminds me of the time I was using Microsoft frontPage. now CSS and js frameworks have become a science of its own that reinvents itself every two years.
Okay but that is adorable and true XD
The old internet taught us so many random skills. I couldn’t type on a keyboard for jack until I got into MMO’s back in the day, because it was pre voice comms. So I learned to type faster so I would struggle less XD
IRC and ICQ chat rooms here. Then MMOs after. I don’t type correctly(as in, finger positions etc), but I do type quickly.
UGH you’re just like my sister then! See I played runescape after taking a typing class in elementary school, so in class I got like 5 wpm, then over a summer of doing nothing but playing rune scape whenever I was able (usually by staying up late after everyone went to sleep) I got up to 25, and it just kept getting faster over the years as I kept playing other online game.
My older sisters didn’t have typing classes before they started doing IM chat rooms and stuff though. So my sister somehow types at 90 WPM by doing this cursed 2 finger chicken peck thing. She types way faster than me by just using 2 fingers on each hand and it always confuses the heck outta me.
I learnt HTML and JS by viewing the source code of major sites like Yahoo (this was in the early 2000s so CSS wasn’t extremely widespread yet). That’s practically impossible these days due to how much bulkier sites have gotten. Back then, HTML and JS were simple, unminified, and easy to understand.
Super good point!
Now you can’t even read a blog’s html to understand what it is doing, as it’s being hosted by a website builder doing 2 billion weird things most likely.
MMOs are the reasons that my typing style involves my left hand covering 60-70% of the keyboard and my right hand getting the remaining 30-40% that I can’t easily reach.
Only need to bring in the mouse hand of absolutely necessary!
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Scrolly words of yore
My website-making days also were my graphic-design-school days, so while they could be a little on the weird side I at least tried to make them clean, readable, and aesthetically non-hazardous. Well, apart from that one wonder that wouldn’t look right on Netscape.
It was great to be able to do this entirely by hand and still end up with something no worse than professional sites in appearance. (And there weren’t yet a bazillion laws and regulations in my country making it too complicated for an undermotivated single private individual to attempt to stay compliant)
Master of all 22 elements
