Wayland and audio is fixed, but only on the canary branch for the moment, this isnt lazy either, they changed the whole screenshare flow to suit linux’s permission prompts
But still doesn’t accept my legitimate phone number, which is mandatory now.
Only in servers that enabled that verification. Its a server setting
It isn’t just a server thing. Discord can request a phone number from you if they think something unusual is happening. Trying to create an account while using tor will make them ask for a phone number, and they reject those numbers offered by shared number services.
Fair enough, but then you are kinda asking for it if youre doing fishy shit. They need, and i do mean need, to somehow verify the actions being done are from a normal user and not a botnet or other fishy activity…
Sent by me:
Dear Discord Privacy Team!
I’m writing to you to inform you that your platform (mobile, desktop, browser) can enforce the user to verify their account with a phone number, after the user has changed their E-Mail adress. This is a serios privacy problem! I’d like you to verify that you don’t intend on providing other (more privacy friendly) means of account verification apart from providing the phone number. I suddenly cannot use my Discord account due to this and I object to providing a phone number.
Kind regards, ~sntx
Their answer:
Discord Privacy Team (Discord Support)
Hi there,
Thanks for reaching out to us. Unfortunately, we aren’t able to assist you here. This channel is reserved for privacy questions and requests.
It looks like this is a question for our Customer Support team. We recommend that you resubmit your request and choose the appropriate reporting option. You can do so here: […].
In the meantime you can check out our Help Center for more info on everything Discord.
We appreciate your understanding.
Sincerely, Discord Privacy Team
But its a server setting to need phone verification. Im on a ton of servers and never provided them my phone number. One server changed access rights manually for my username because i refused to give discord my phone number when they enabled the verification requirement haha.
Also, their response is terrible haha
Vencord has had it forever. Just a community discord flathub.
Third party discord clients keep letting me down, not updating their electron version and breaking my system updates cause it’s marked insecure
Browser version with extensions is the way to go
Would you clue me in on what kind of extensions you use and why they’re better that the discord app?
Stylus for theming, vimium for navigation
It works a lot better than the discord app, more responsive for one. Ctrl k on the app takes a few seconds, takes half a second on web
Multiple instances at once without any hassle is nice, the ability to open links in the same window instead of having it open a browser somewhere (tiling wm with discord in a pop up layer)
Seems to be less resource intensive I assume because no electron wrapper running, just Firefox which I already have open anyway
Plus the main one is that because it’s not using electron I don’t have the constant drama with insecure electron versions, also if discord forces an update and your package manager doesn’t update you just can’t use discord for a few days until it catches up
For some reason my screen share freezes for others on vesktop.
Yeah, I’ve been using Vesktop/Vencord all this time. Has more features than Discord with Nitro. No reason to really switch back to the official client.
Does that works for Wayland or X? or both?
Quite nice feature indeed.both, i mentioned that in the body text
You didn’t mention it works for both, just Wayland. Good to know it works on X, as well.
I mentioned the audio and wayland was fixed, x already worked
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I like their UX, the button doesn’t say “Share screen” but “Make Selection”. On Element my dad every time has such a hard time to share the screen because even though he did it already a hundred times, he presses the share screen button and then waits, without choosing which window or screen to share.
you first click the “share screen” button, then it asks if you want to share a device, screen or window, then it shows you that screen, that summons a permission prompt tailored to what you selected recently.
I agree it’s quite nice
Sorry but I don’t really care about discord news on Linux…
Me too, yet we click and decided to reply.^^
I’m happy for others, plus it makes life easier for those who expect a working Discord like on Windows.
Absolutely okay but we shouldn’t be specially happy of discord being well integrated in Linux. The only good point is that it helps to grow the reach of Linux to mainstream users
Right on! People should only share news articles that pertain to my interests.
I reply here :
Discord is related to linux as much as the facebook app is.
Well, except perhaps for the fact that Discord has a Linux version, while the Facebook App doesn’t.
And—clearly!—it seems rather popular as well.
It’s related because it’s news about discord changing something related to linux
I do
I encourage you to switch to better interests
Okay, great, now convince 30+ other people I chat with on the service
Yes I know it sucks and will just keep on enshittifying, but it’s not so much as it being a replaceable social media for me, as it is a primary way for me to keep in contact with partners, friends, finding out about and participating in arrangements, and meeting new people in my local area. Stopping using discord is effectively cutting myself off from the local communities
Everyone in my social circle uses it, and will keep on using it. Maybe once some breaking point is reached due to ever increasing enshittification people will start being interested in alternatives, but we’re far from that point still
Show them the link and encourage them to move to better platforms
I can’t even get them to use mastodon or Lemmy, they’re not gonna go to an alternative discord
and matrix doesnt have a functional voice call across clients atm
Discord is not as good and accessible as you may think. Most matrix homeservers aren’t going to ask you for phone verification, some don’t even require a mail. You can always join yourself and find other friends there.
Show them the link and encourage them to move to better platforms
Ah yes, the old “I care so little that I had to tell you”.
Finally
Finally! =D
Oh my god, it’s happening!
i don’t use it because my laptop is a toshiba from 2006 i think and it runs xubuntu which is pretty cool!! but discord runs a little bit slow so sadly no screensharing and anyway for most of my friends i use email to talk to them
you might be interested in matrix, it’s like discord, but you have the option of using a super lightwheight client
i used to have matrix in the past but people were insulting me and well i had to leave matrix sadly but i may go back to it in the meantime i prefer email i’m sorry!!
that’s totally fine, no need to apologize, i tend to stay out of public matrix rooms too, too much toxicity
Except for the postmarketOS ones, they are very cool and non-toxic.
Do you really talk to your friends through email?
Voice recordings as email attachments, easy-peasy.
😆
What about audio sharing?
also works, although it says audio “may not work in certain instances”
Awesome!
Yes.
Audio sharing works, but appears to not allow selection of a specific audio stream, when I tested it just then it appears to share system audio. Vesktop still allows you to choose a specific stream. Still, this is a huge improvement over not working at all, and the “Entire Desktop” (3 screens) works, as well as “select region” sharing!
If you’re using Pipewire, have you checked if you can re-route the audio sink using qpwgraph?
For me audio sharing doesnt work at all haha
now fix push to talk which is arguable far more important
How would they implement this? I’m curious to know.
https://flatpak.github.io/xdg-desktop-portal/docs/doc-org.freedesktop.portal.GlobalShortcuts.html
KDE has support for it, Gnome is in progress: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome/-/issues/47
Is there an actual implementation of this for Electron yet? Also, do you know any apps that use these yet? I haven’t found any.
Apparently Chromium has merged support for it, so it should get to Electron soon-ish: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/5871484
Fuck Discord! 🙂
Sadly there’s no alternative.
matrix, xmpp
I so wish there was matrix protocol for voice rooms and a good reference implementation but sadly there are neither
You can do it for xmpp and Jitsi right?
How long has it been since you used element/matrix? Serious question because the new element call stack is now finally released in element stable, as of a few patches ago. (It still only shows up as the “video rooms” feature that u have to enable in the labs/beta settings)
Its much cleaner than before and properly supports screensharing, adjusting individual user volumes and more. The previous jitsi based voice rooms were somewhat lacking i admit but they have been functional for years.
That was the last thing that kind of kept me from fully endorsing matrix but now it does all that really important stuff. The new mobile ElementX client also supports the new call system but its overall lacking compared to the normal mobile client which does not support it.
But for desktop use i dont have any complains anymore about matrix really.
not that I dig into it very far but I check maybe once a year to find out if any of the features I want made it into matrix protocol yet and they always seem stalled
no alternative that’s as user-friendly and feature-complete
I wouldn’t say discord is either of those things
They need to limit server sizes, get rid of community searching, and add #XXXX to the end of usernames before we can pretend that
Wouldn’t limiting server sizes and getting rid of community searching be removing features? Why would anyone want that?
And Discord used to have #XXXX at the end of usernames.
Why would anyone want that?
1 they aren’t pedos
2 they want an app to talk to their friends with
3 they don’t want to be victims of misinformation campaigns
And Discord used to have #XXXX at the end of usernames.
Yeah it was better, it meant if you were being stalked you could just have the numbers changed. Now you need a completely different alias with the only purpose to be discouraging victims from getting help
1- What does that have to do with anything?
2- Then make a private server for just your friends.
3- Then make a private server for just your friends.
And no, it wasn’t better. Just… different.
Revolt looks pretty good despite its lack of a large user base
No screen share and there seems to be a reluctance to add/address requests for it. They add that and I can get my whole community to switch. Until then it’s not happening.
Zulip has been around for a loooong time. It integrates well with Jitsi, and is fully self-hostable.
Why?
The founder’s shady history with OpenFeint, their entire privacy policy and shit like this, take your pick. Wikipedia also has an entire section dedicated to Discord’s controversies. No matter how you look at it, Discord has a great many shortcomings.
i agree with your points but wanted to mention that binding arbitration is bullshittery that most large companies do by default these days. sign a cell phone contract, streaming/cable service, utility bill, whatever. there’s probably an arbitration clause right in the fine print.
Centralized social media. Poison of the masses. If they control the pullpit, they control the congregation. Tale as old as time.
It’s reach not centralization
You’d think Lemmy would’ve taught you that by now
These articles are very old and not super relevant any more. Sources of 2018 and 2019, while a lot has changed over the years.
I’m not here to “defend” Discord and pretend it’s all gravy, but if you want to make a compelling argument, I think it’s a good idea to stick to current, factual information.
These articles are very old and not super relevant any more. Sources of 2018 and 2019, while a lot has changed over the years.
Did you even read them? They changed for worst all the points remain.
Which got worse? Feel free to show me an example. I’ll try to investigate and find out its merits.
It must be said that that site also considers browsers like Firefox and Vivaldi to be at a high level of being spyware. I think it’s important to understand that Discord doesn’t do things much differently than other platforms, other than not having any 3rd party ads.
You sound exactly like a bad actor. If you open and read the website you would know why Firefox it’s listed
https://cadence.moe/blog/2020-06-06-why-you-shouldnt-trust-discord
You see a couple of orange lines. You think, well that’s okay, it’s up most of the time? This isn’t helpful. Discord needs to be up all of the time if it wants me to take it seriously. I understand that writing code is hard, and I’m aware that I sound demanding here, but I just cannot adopt Discord for communicating if I cannot rely on it to be available when I need it now. If it’s down for half an hour, that’s not a long time in the big picture, but it’s a long time in the moment when I have a message that I need to send right then.
(emphasis mine). Ah yes, another blog by a user that thinks everything revolves around their experience.
I would love to act in good faith, but you’re not making it easy linking this drivel. Because I don’t want to make you feel like I’m fishing for sources, let me expand some points in the original link to talk about:
Discord contains features which allow integration with other spyware platforms
Discord contains the opt-in spyware feature known as “social media integration.” This allows you to sync your persistent user identity on Discord with your persistent user identity on other spyware platforms, such as Facebook and Twitter. In its privacy policy[1], Discord has confirmed that if you opt in to this spyware feature, Discord will obtain an undisclosed amount of access to information obtained about you by the spyware platforms that you choose to sync with.
Ah yes, very scary. Connecting your account with other platforms to show your profile.
Discord uses its process logging for advertising
That the process logging features of Discord are now being recorded on Discord’s servers as a form of telemetry (spyware), and removes speculation about why this feature exists. It is clarified by Discord that this spyware feature is used for advertising to its users.[8] This means that Discord is recording the programs you have open to build a statistical model of what programs you might buy/license in the future.
The “advertising” in question:
We use certain information to personalize our services. This includes features like customizing your experience on our discovery surfaces, highlighting activity on Discord that may interest you, and surfacing Discord features and promotions from us and our partners that may be of interest to you. For example, we may use information about who you interact with to rank a Friend who you interact with often higher in the “Active Now” section of your Friends List.
Discord tries to force some users to give their Telephone numbers
Discord will lock users out of its service and will not allow them to continue using it without giving their phone number or contacting Discord support. This is especially true for TOR users. This kind of feature is designed to extract very personal information out of its users (phone numbers). The criteria for locking out users isn’t known
Usually this is a server (community) - side setting, but Discord also forces it when they think you are a spammer or malicious actor. Pretending it’s to collect phone number is a bit out there. Also, 2FA has been a thing since forever.
Lastly, there’s probably the argument of selling our personal data:
We don’t sell your personal information. Our business is based on subscriptions and paid products, not from selling your personal information to third parties.
We make money from paid subscriptions and the sale of digital (and sometimes physical) goods, not from selling your personal information to third parties.
We do not sell the personal data of our users or share personal data for targeted advertising purposes.
No sale or “share” of personal information: The CCPA sets forth certain obligations for businesses that sell or “share” personal information. We do not sell or share the personal information of our users as defined in the CCPA.
This is a legal document that they will get in trouble for if they were lying. They’ve already been fined hundreds of thousands of euros for GDPR violations but that curiously did not include a fine for “took people’s personal information and then sold them without consent whilst explicitly saying they didn’t do that”
Discord further has no third party advertisements which they can use to “sell” your data by allowing those advertisements to target you.
This is past due, I use Vencord.
Oh awesome, I’ve been using the webcord version as the others were all shit for screen sharing. Having said that even webcord also has weird sound issue sim hoping are fixed with this.
Did they also finally fix the AFK detection on Wayland?
I’m not sure if this is actually possible - as far as I know, applications can’t track key presses/mouse movement when their associated window isn’t in focus. It’d be great if they just gave the option to disable the AFK detection since it doesn’t work…
What happens now in afk detection? I never noticed it.
Haven’t used it in a while but from what I remember it always puts you in idle if you do something else and only back to online if you do something in Discord itself, as expected from the Wayland limitation.
It could be implemented with the ext-idle-notify-v1 protocol.
In my case it refused to ever mark me as idle, which meant I never got any notifications on mobile…
Works fine with a plugin, so clearly it can’t be that hard.
Ah, I thought this was in regards to AFK tracking when discord isn’t focused (which this plugin still won’t fix due to the mentioned Wayland restrictions) - I didn’t realize that it still didn’t work even when discord was focused, which is strange.
I’ve been using Vesktop since screen share wasn’t working on Wayland, and it already seems to do what this plugin does hence my confusion.
