• surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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    Yet when you bring up Dem tariffs on solar panels and EV’s, suddenly “that’s different.”

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      You mean the ones that Trump originally put in and Biden extended?

      And the fact that you don’t understand the difference between a targeted tariff and a blanket tariff on all goods?

      Also the fact that you can’t grasp that you don’t impose tariffs to stop drug trafficking, which btw are done mostly by honest Americans.

      But to your point, however small it may be here, no I don’t think that Biden should have extended Trump’s solar tariffs, it didn’t really help US solar manufacturing since companies did what they always do, moved to other low cost countries that’s not China.

      The inflation reduction act has a better impact on increasing US solar production by offering incentives vs taxes.

      But you just keep on strawmanning and whataboutism while leopards eat your face.

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        It’s not “strawmanning” because I didn’t need to make it up. It’s a real thing, which you acknowledge is shit.

        And yes, Trump is also shit.

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          Rabble rabble rabble, can we talk about what’s currently going on without the “buuuut obama did it too” shit. Its just not a worthwhile discussion

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            I didn’t hear any complaints about the constant “but truuuump” throughout Biden’s nightmare term.

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                Considering my goal is to get people to realize they’re both fascist parties, “but Trump” and “but Obama” provide me an identical opening for discussion either way.

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    No he most likely knows. He’s gaslighting the people who are watching. What’s the simpler answer here? Well educated billionaire doesn’t know how tariffs work, or he’s lying through his teeth to protect his interests?

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      The rich are not better or smarter than the rest of us, and this bad breath in human form exemplifies that.

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        They aren’t smarter but they do have access to better teachers. And Tariffs are a very simple concept.

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      He knows most likely. Daddy doesn’t. Even if he did at one point, his mashed potato brains forgot it.

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      He literally can’t imagine anything more complex to manufacture than the Trump tat he imports already. Hats, flags and T-shirts, etc. Things that could be swapped to US manufacturer in a matter of months.

      The complete supply chain for an iPhone would melt his brain.

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      Its tariffs on drugs, plainly. He wants US production to step up and compete, not let cartels run all over our drug consuming population. Our addicts won’t stand for rising prices on Mexican Meth and will switch to local sources.

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    A smart approach would be to slowly dial stuff up so that manufacturers had, ya know, time to build and train for complex manufacturing plants in US.

    But they’re not going to do that. The plants are where they are, they would take years to move, and American consumers will pay the new import taxes in the interim.

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      That’s all assuming Trump and Co wont buy up these factories and industries, and then inject them with federal stimulus money to ‘save america’

      I’m sure in 12 months every major news station will be unhinged talking about one particular niche industry like baby diapers that is too important to let fail from these tariffs and it will be a complete coincidence that musk or kushner owns 90% of the domestic production.

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      They won’t just pay in the meantime, the local companies have very little reason to try to undercut foreign imports by a significant margin. Not enough manufacturing will come back to generate enough competition to drive down prices on most items.

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      Well of course not their drugs. Same as how they don’t want to deport their undocumented housekeepers, or ban their mistresses abortions.

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    There is something deeply ironic about the US accusing China of flooding their country with illegal drugs. The next step is for China to demand reparations to all the fentanyl producers hurt by US law enforcement activity. Then they invade, force us to take the drugs and pay the reparations. OH, and they’re going to administer Hawaii for 99 years.

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      Except China is doing exactly that, and it has been known for years, with multiple US federal agencies taking various steps to counteract it. E.g.:

      https://www.brookings.edu/articles/chinas-role-in-the-fentanyl-crisis/

      https://www.npr.org/2024/04/16/1244964595/fentanyl-china-precursor-overdose

      China, specifically the CCP, has an obvious interest in weakening the US, and has demonstrated that they have no qualms with injuring people to achieve their ends (for further reading, look up Hong Kong, the Uygher people, and Tibet). (And no, before you think it, I’m not saying that getting poor white Americans addicted to opioids is equivalent to genocide of Uyghers.) We have a massive opioid crisis in the US, and it has been fueled in the last few years by fentanyl. Virtually all of the illicit opioids available here now contain fentanyl or are comprised entirely of fentanyl, and it’s routinely found contaminating other drugs.

      It’s a problem that is recognized by both parties. To say “China is flooding the country with illegal drugs” is, yes a gross oversimplification of the problem, but it’s a simple narrative the Republicans can use to try to convince their voter base that tariffs are somehow a sensible course of action. If their voter base was wont to grasp and meaningfully contemplate complex geopolitical issues, they’d never have voted Republican in the first place.

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    It’s hard to tell whether or not they truly don’t understand, or they do, and they’re just saying shit to rile up their base.

    Not sure how much it matters either way, though. Consciously or not, it’s still the spread of misinformation.

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      It’s hard to tell whether or not they truly don’t understand, or they do, and they’re just saying shit to rile up their base.

      Not sure how much it matters either way, though. Consciously or not, it’s still the spread of misinformation.

      Nailed it.

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    We are going to cost your countries, your economies, we’re going to cost your businesses billions, hundreds of billions of dollars if you think you’re going to poison Americans

    They realize American manufacturers and consumers pay the tariffs, right? Not the other countries.

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      I don’t think they do. But daddy donvict seems to also think that China is somehow ripping us off because “trade deficit”.

      So I don’t think anyone in this crime family understands much of anything at all.

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      Plus it’s not like companies can turn things on a dime and create new facilities/train new people in response to these.

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        And who are they going to employ to do all this new work in America, with trump deporting the most capable labour pool ?

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          Either lots of high cost of living Americans or just a handful of them for maintenance on the robots doing the needed functions.

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    Shameless question. At this point I approach this entire presidency as a cash/power grab by the incumbent administration.

    So from an investment perspective how would pleb like me, with my Roth and 401k, game these tariffs? Local industry might get a boost, but for the most part we (the USA) still won’t produce a lot of the goods being tariffed. So, do you just bet high on commodities and U.S reseller/retailers as the big winners 12 months into the administration? Asking for a friend that’s totally not me trying to make the best out of a potentially disastrous 4 years. Thank you,

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      • hold a diversified portfolio that’s heavy on cash.
      • buy equities when the market tanks.
      • sit tight and hope for the best. Don’t check your port again until the fuckwits are gone.
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    Eric fails to understand who has the money to create the demand for illegal drugs. Also, a large portion of the illegal drug distribution is in the rural red counties because they lack law enforcement.

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    Isn’t Eric the one that got rushed to the hospital because he forgot how to breathe for a while?