I think I rarely see the so-called disgust reflex in full throttle, as I see it in terfs attacking trans women. They are literally acting like a five-inch cockroach is climbing up their ankle, and they can’t help it. There is no amount of TERFism propaganda that can do that, they just must be the most homophobic people in existence, on par with people who flat out murder trans women. No doubt about it, they dehumanize trans women and would mass murder them with not a shed of remorse. Fuck TERFs, really.

Male janitors walk all the time into women bathrooms. No one gives a shit.

What an absolute piece of shit.

Like every word she speaks is TERF propaganda, which she recognizes: She Twitted “Full TERF”.

She says “He is a biological man. End of. Period.”

She makes a point that she is not willing to discuss or find common ground by any criteria (not even the safety and dignity of trans women themselves).

This is a savage and barbaric, blatant display of bigotry and hatred, a disgusting outlook for any human, and totally unworthy of respect in decent society.

Thoughts out to Sarah Mac Bride that has to face this and still keeps her cool.

To me banning transgender use of public spaces and bathrooms should be listed as a hate crime and be heavily fined.

I hope her motion is rejected, she should be ashamed of her ridiculous self.

This is not a matter of opinion, rather than centralized control of information.

Musk can shadow ban you, for example, nobody granted him that power except he was able to by it.

This type of social media are a power structure that is despotic in nature, and it is deeply problematic for democracies.

It is not like a nation state banning a religious minority or an anarchist site. That would be censoring of opinions.

In the case of Xitter, it is Musk and a team of political advertising engineers doing the censorship. So they are worse than Nazi apologists for example. The latter we only anticipate they will impose censorhip (let alone murder) once they are in power.

Xitter has that power already at orders of magnitude above what traditional media outlets have. He controls the flow of information. (And he made it a fucking nazi bar right enough).

But I will grant you that we should not expect nation states to ban Xitter. We should aim for its destruction.

In my opinion: abandon - yes. Ban - no

Perhaps it is time to bring this old post of mine back from the dead? I argue that we have to start a war of attrition on mainstream platforms.

Yes, you missed how social media algorithms work, having captivated the attention of whole nations, and carefully control every bit of information that pass in front of your eyes, then some billionaire buying said mechanism and taking part in the government he helped elected, then threatening the nations that have banned him that they will lose the next elections. Did I miss anything?

Real democracies need to shield themselves from this kind of corporate interference, yet most people don’t even understand how it works, or why Cambridge Analytica was a big hit, or where are these experts now and how they are making a living.

I am not subscribing to this bullshit, and I am sad my comment enabled you to spew it out. “Me too” was a valid and necessary movement to combat sexual assaults that were institutionalized in many industries and protected by law enforcement and judicial authorities. Many prominent figures went rightfully to jail for sex crimes, and the proportion of women lying about it is rather small to make a political argument off it. Tracing back “liberal-themed supremacy movements” to Jewish supremacism sounds to me quite close to Nazi conspiracy theory, to take any of this seriously. I am sorry this reached my feed, and I can’t wait to engage the likes of you in combat.

Sure it isn’t. Let’s review this when the state does the same thing lol.

Is this why we should not delegate the control of hate speech to the state, because it will always blow up in our faces?

This might be out of context for the article, but once we are in /c/technology get this: GIMP is a slur, and their slogan during startup is “we glitch because we twitch” which makes me want to kick them in the nuts every time I use the fucking software.

I am sorry that people have to choose the lesser of two evils, yet here we are.

Sure, ok, just don’t fool yourself thinking the place is safe. Transgender people have been targeted with all the hate right enough, but things are not as chill for gay people as they used to be either.

it is human experimentation

No it is not. It is a well thought out medical intervention, with extensively studied effects, and life saving outcomes for trans youth.

For the most part of this video Vaush debunks every argument that puberty blockers are an experimental treatment https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=HhYruaFZEOI

American Psychological Organization about young transgender people https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/07/advocating-transgender-nonbinary-youths

Or do you think trans people just pop out of thin air as fully grown adults? You understand that trans people once were kids like everybody else right? And finally have you ever spoken to a transgender person and ask what it is like growing up trans? All these ignorant morons fearmonger like this therapy is pushed onto unknowing kids and parents, presented like it is a cool video game. Guess what, people actively seek this therapy for their kids or themselves because they know what it is doing, it stops unwanted sexual features to develop, and it is reversible.

What was your problem again?

Are you sure about the UK squid? Wasn’t there a huge ordeal there for not extending the conversion therapy ban to transgender care? That’s what I had read.

Like gender identity interacts with the chemistry of the drug somehow? Is it safe if the kid is cis and it is not when the kid is trans? Is there some (well) materialism in gender identity or is this philosophical dualism of some sort?

The prescribed use is to suppress the development of sex features by blocking sex hormones, so how is it different?

This is just fear mongering.

And they also say nothing about

circumcision

intersex infant normalization surgeries

ongoing breast enhancement surgeries for cis girls

Republicans did not ban those, nor they did minor marriages, but I will keep to the surgery related arguments.

At the same time, puberty blockers for cis kids with precocious puberty goes on as before. They only designate the transgender use as “off-license” with unknown long term side-effects.

How the fuck gender identity is supposed to interact with the exact same drug? This is pure hokum.

But you know the problem is that only you and me will read that. Vast majority of people are spoonfed transphobic propaganda from TERFs and Xitter. It is sickening how hard it is to get those simple talk points across nowadays.

Here, from 16:15 onward Vaush (I don’t vouch for the guy BTW) disects an way earlier article poisoned with the flawed logic about puberty blockers https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=HhYruaFZEOI Just for people curious for how long this disinformation has been going on.

Republicans just want this fact suppressed. Everywhere you look, puberty blockers are presented as bad as genital surgery. They want to make it sound scary and overly artificial, like “toxic levels of hormones to go against the grain of the natural process”. This part they don’t actually say out loud but it is implied. Every outlet that fails to make clear that puberty blockers is a well established intervention for cis and trans kids alike, they are part of the TERF propaganda apparatus right enough.

Fallacy means sth in the effect of “cognitive illusion” as in “logical fallacy”, not a rhetorical strategy. The difference is the intent of the speaker. A rhetorical strategy can be deceptive, or tactically motivated, a logical fallacy is more like a form of apparent naivete and common paradoxes. When there is intent to deceive and/or win at all costs, there is “prevarication” or “sophistry” instead of “fallacy”.

a “put your money where your mouth is” fallacy

Is this a “fallacy” or is it an “angle”? Probably it is little more than straw-man attack, because you know even homeless people need actual homes not just places to crash, and it is also a form of ad hominem attack that typically targets progressive/social change demands (do you really hear that often the opposite, like “if you hate homeless people that much, why don’t you support gassing them?”). I don’t know if people call those fallacies these days, I tend to see them as tactical conversational attacks. A fallacy is sth you can easily fool yourself with.