Got proof of this? I mean, only once in my lifetime has a third party cracked 10% of the vote share. Easily 90% of the votes given have gone to a guy or gal with an -R or -D after their name for President.

Right. I like meat. Not going to lie – I can be convinced to eat more plants and less meat, but I’ll fight you if you try to take my meat away.

My father and I can’t be further apart on politics. He’s a Goldwater Republican, old-school hard-core conservative that doesn’t like Trump the man, but loves Trump the politician. He runs his big truck on >>Earth Day just to spite the Environmentalists.

Sounds like you guys have a lot in common behaviorally despite your professed political differences.

And you wonder why you get so many downvotes and pushback. You stand in judgement over what somebody else wants to eat. It’s not enough for you to meet half way. If they don’t capitulate 100% to you and subjugate themselves at your feet, you spit bile at them. You automatically assume the worst about other people, hurl invectives at them, and wonder why it is your candidate of choice doesn’t win. Thanks for illustrating that ‘my way or the highway’ isn’t just Republican territory.

Because your phrasing is disingenuous. You imply nefariousness where none exists. He ran thinking he was the best choice, until he flubbed the debate, and … get this…he got the majority of delegates. 14 million people voted for him. And he won the Primary. Are you saying you and your ilk are more important than the 14.5 million people who cast their ballots for him (you couldn’t manage 2 million votes between your three alternatives to Biden…), and the 3.9k delegates he won? That their expressions of preference should be thrown out so you can have a bruising 4 week primary in August while Trump just uses your various attacks against each of the candidates and racks up hundreds of millions of campaign contributions that he doesn’t have to spend until September? And at best, we just use up Biden’s campaign warchest trying to fend your candidates off, and at worst, we have to start over with some relative unknown with a depleted warchest, and no access to the Biden/Harris warchest? And go through the whole rigamarole of qualifying for state ballots so close to election day? Not to mention the extra costs of running a second set of primaries because you couldn’t accept the fact that you lost?

We had a primary. Biden won that primary. There’s no nefarious plan to install Harris. And the only reason that Harris has to run at all is because you lot showed up here and shat all over Biden over and over and over and over and *four hours later * over again. You lot being sore loser hard-leftists, Greenies pissed that they don’t have more of a say in government, paid actors and disinformation peddlers hired by Republicans and Russians to fragment the Left coalition like has happened time and time again (stupid ‘fall in love’ party), and of course those same Russians and Republicans who directly inject BS into our political discussion. And just to be clear, I’m not speculating on which you are, just pointing out that’s what your coalition is, and that’s why we’re here where we are right now.

What does your answer have to do with tee9000’s question?

Americans make it a past time to hate on other Americans, and don’t think this is limited to Left vs. Right. I like meat. Not going to lie – I can be convinced to eat more plants and less meat, but I’ll fight you if you try to take my meat away. For that, I get called vile things by fanatic vegans who can’t seem to accept that I have my own life and make my own choices, despite the fact that I agree with them on a variety of other things, including having a lighter touch on the planet, being responsible stewards of our resources, treating animals with respect and kindness, and of course things like civil rights. Watch this; I expect them to be along shortly to prove my point.

My father and I can’t be further apart on politics. He’s a Goldwater Republican, old-school hard-core conservative that doesn’t like Trump the man, but loves Trump the politician. He runs his big truck on Earth Day just to spite the Environmentalists. Tee9000’s question speaks to my dad’s and my relationship. If I follow your pattern, I cut him out of my life and leave him high and dry. And trust me: there have been times when I wanted to do exactly that. But what would it accomplish? I’d be disowned by my dad, he’d die old and alone (mom died 5 years ago, I’m his only child), and we’d just hate each other. And I’d never have learned that he swapped out all his incandescent bulbs, which he swore the government would have to pry out of his cold, dead hands, for LED lighting, because…*gasp*…environmentalists listened to the criticisms of CFLs and replaced them with something that matched the quality of lighting from his favourite lights.

You can accomplish far more by listening and cooperating than you do by vilifying and hating on people. That’s Tee9000’s point.

Now, I’m not saying that you should put up with people misgendering you. Far from it. Stand up for your rights. But maybe instead of cutting people out of your life, you should make inclusion in your life contingent on respect. “You used masculine pronouns to refer to me despite knowing that I prefer feminine pronouns. Unless and until you respect me, I will not interact with you any more.” works far better than “fuck you, good bye.” It makes it clear on them that they have to respect you, and maybe, just maybe, you’ll actually change a few minds. I think that’s what Tee9000 is trying to say here.

I could quibble about Clinton overwhelmingly defeating Sanders, but I really don’t have to. The actual numbers were 55.2% Hillary Clinton, 43.1% Bernie Sanders. Clinton won a straight majority of votes – not a plurality, a majority. And I say this as a Bernie Sanders voter who caucused (not voted in a primary, caucused, as in went to a school and stood in a classroom to be counted) for Bernie Sanders. Sanders came in second place because more Democratic Primary voters picked Clinton than Sanders. It wasn’t stolen. Clinton won that fair and square. Contrary to all the various little voices that crept out of the woodwork, and I say this, again, as a voter who caucused for Sanders, more Americans wanted a moderate candidate than risk a Progressive that could honestly be tarred as a Socialist.

That said, I would have LOVED to see Crony Capitalism vs. Euro-Socialism as an election in the USA. Too bad, it was Fascism vs. Crony Capitalism…

Kamala Harris is Joe Biden’s running mate.

Were Biden to have been incapacitated, Kamala Harris would step in for him. We made this choice back in November 2020, and it’ll hold true until January 2025.

Do you expect the Dems to have a contested Primary with less than one month to go until the General? How nice. Everyone will be tearing themselves apart in order to appeal to the various different factions that make up the Democratic Party, weakening each other until the final canidate emerges with a depleted warchest and a whole bunch of bitter people whose favoured candidate DIDN’T win? And assuming Harris, the VP and assumed successor for Biden, doesn’t win this contested primary, has to return the warchest Biden built up?

And Trump will be waiting in the wings, with a building warchest and backers setting up GOTV. Again. Does the far-left WANT Trump to win, because man, that’s what it looks like to me!

He stepped down because he saw that America took his gaffes at the debate more seriously than he thought they should, not because he feels he’s not up to the job. Honestly, our way of selecting Presidents sucks. An objective look at this admin versus the last admin would make that decision easy – Biden has set himself up for success by hiring competent underlings rather than yes-men, and he managed to reverse killer inflation and handle a global pandemic, while fighting against one tyrant. He’s not perfect. Nobody is. He is open to criticism over his handling of Palestine and Israel and we sure can criticise his unwillingness to hold Netanyahu as accountable as he wants to handle Putin. But the other guy set up Biden for the last 4 years of bullshit with his utter mismanagement of the country, and plans on making things ten times worse. Biden looked at the polling, at the bullshit settling down on his administration and on him personally, and said he’d step back so Harris could run.

As for why Harris got the nod? There was less than a month until the General Election, virtually all of the Primaries had already been had, and despite all the bullshit being peddled about him, he won the Primary. Harris was on his ticket. They wanted to transition easily into the General without a bajillion crazy little questions about the Biden/Harris campaign, its warchest, and avoid a bloodbath between various Democratic Party factions all screaming for their guy/gal just in time for Trump to trounce the weakened candidate in the general, they leveraged the same process that would have happened had that nutbar that shot at Trump taken a shot at Biden and didn’t miss – the VP becomes POTUS. And this allows Harris to not have to jump through hoops for ballot access nor start from scratch with campaign finances, which unfortunately are STILL important for getting into the White House.

Sadly, the bullshit shifted to Harris and we’re back where we were before. Does the hard-left WANT Trump in office, because it sure fucking looks like they do.

Yeah, Picard Principle at play here. You can commit no mistakes and still lose. I can argue that there are a few things that Harris could do better. Americans are stupid and cruel as a whole…you tact too hard to the Left, you piss off the moderate voters and they stay home, vote Third Party, or worse, vote Trump, and if you tact too hard to the Right, you piss off liberal voters, and while they are less likely to vote Trump, you still lose their votes.

Man, we shouldn’t even be having this conversation at all. Trump is a convicted felon. He should be in jail right now, getting ready for the next trials.

The :3 was me trying to convey cat-like mirth and humour. ;3 But thanks for letting me know how you managed to get this user to shut up.

Nah. I really haven’t spent that much time on that poster. I have a life, and I think the mods are trying to tell me ‘engage with this person less’. It’s sad that the Mods aren’t taking this behaviour by this poster more seriously. All I can really do is call it out on its BS, and wait until after the election when its BS won’t be as effective at depressing Dem turnout. That’s all I’m really waiting for. The sad thing is we will be playing this game again in 2028 because this kind of BS is more effective than it should be, given the cruelty and stupidity of the average American voter.

Oh, I remember that thread. Mr. Monk here got all bent out of shape thinking that the person who replied to its thread was calling it a shill or plant, when it was obvious the commenter was referring to the subject of the article, the “Libertarian” who dropped out when it became clear he was drawing more votes from Democrats than Republicans, a shill or plant. I laughed at that. Dude has a persecution complex for sure. And then he accused you of being an admin of that instance he got banned on? I really want to post a Bugs Bunny “What a maroon” meme, but the mods might delete the comment for attacking Monk. So I’ll just say the convicted Sealion sure acts like a fool…

I actually had nothing against the article, but this was one of them that clued me in that this guy was nothing good.

Can you link the comment he blocked you on? Maybe that’ll give me an idea of how to get him to block me. :3

Nah, I don’t think I will listen to what this poser is saying…err, sorry, POSTER. Missed a T there. I swear it was accidental. :)

1. This is the Internet, where the Men are Men, the Women are Men, the Children are FBI Agents, and nobody knows I’m a cat.
2. If it is true what this poster is saying it does for a living, does that mean it’s stealing company time, or just REALLY dedicated and posting one post every 12 minutes for 8 hours when it’s not eating, sleeping, and working?
3. It really loves to tell people what they can and can’t do. No, I don’t think I will respect its commandment that I not post its stats if it doesn’t get to curate what I’m saying with them. I stand by my statement. This poster posts a ridiculous amount of time. So much that it can be questioned. Dear reader, it’s up to you to decide if once every 18 minutes on average over every day of this poster’s time on Lemmy is a mark of a real poster, or someone who is far more nefarious.

See? This is the bullshit this poster throws out when confronted.

NOBODY is going to go make a scatter-graph of this poster’s posting habits to show how often it’s on posting. We’re just going to do the easy maths. Like I just did. ON AVERAGE this poster makes a comment every 18 minutes. If it sleeps 8 hours, we would divide 80 by 16, and the posting rate becomes an even more insane once per 12 minutes, every waking moment of the day. And then we start asking other uncomfortable questions, like…‘does this person work for a living? Or is this person’s work posting on here for a living?’ Not where I think this poster wants us to start drifting in our thinking, I don’t think.

But that fits with the ban for trolling this poster got. It knows that once every 18 minutes, or once every 12 minutes sixteen hours a day, or once every six minutes eight hours a day looks bad, so it starts distractifying with the nonsense that I’m saying straight out that it stays up 24/7/365 which would make it a bot or at least a group of people operating on 24 hour shifts. I’m just saying that if you average it all out, this poster is dedicating ridiculously stupidly large amounts of time to force it down our throat that it’s voting third party.

Again. I’m only interacting with this poster because we’re not crushing Trump 70 to 30. Were we, I’d not even bother with this foolish human (?) – let it waste its vote if it wants, that won’t make Trump more likely. But somehow, Trump is pulling 49.8% in some very scary places, and we ALL need to be all hands on deck, and the only reason you wouldn’t be is if you don’t mind if Trump wins and fucks the entire goddamn country in the process.

This poster seems to have forgotten the times it ‘slid up in my DMs’ to ‘check up on me’…I haven’t. :)

This is the poster’s posting history from my perspective. 1490+ posts. 3410+ comments. That’s over a 61 day period. That’s 4900 posts and comments, which comes out to 80 posts and comments a day, 3.347 posts per hour, or roughly once per 17.9 minutes.

The receipts are up there. Thanks @SatansMaggotyCumFart for the work of figuring out this poster’s utter dedication to posting.

This poster disagrees that it was guilty of Sealioning. That’s amusing.

Dear reader, let’s look at what Sealioning is.

In short, it’s a form of trolling. Sealioning is defined specifically by the following characteristics:

• A faux veneer of civility. That’s because the troll wants to play victim when others lose their sense of civility dealing with said troll.
• Persistence. Another poster here points out how often this poster posts, and it comes out to once every 18 minutes, every hour, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. A Sealion tries to erode one’s sense of goodwill and decorum by constantly hounding people that disagree with it,
• A fake attempt to appear to be trying to educate oneself or others.

Sealioning isn’t an exact match for this poster’s behaviour, but it’s damn close. Little petty grammar and spelling nazi comments. Intruding into other people’s DMs without permission. Constantly hiding behind the community rules. Using and abusing the fuck out of laws of civility and this community, while having zero intention to do anything but be disruptive, annoying, insulting, condescending, and otherwise just plain unpleasant, secure in the knowledge that we can’t call it out for what it is because the Mods have handcuffed us with these silly ‘be civil’ rules.

The mods have actually tagged this poster with a three day timeout for being a troll. I don’t think that gives me permission to carte blanc call this poster a troll, but I can at least point out every time I see it pushing its latest nonsense that the moderator team here has suspended its access for 3 days for trolling. We’ll see if the mods let that stay up. Given the nonsense that the mods have let stay up for the person they put in time out for being a troll, I hope it will. Kind of like calling out a convicted thief as a thief, or a convicted fraudster as a fraudster. Just with a silly extra step because we wouldn’t want to be uncivil to someone who is wanting to be uncivil to us.

Emphasis on this point.

Jill Stein has NO path to victory. She would require a 50%+1 majority in at least 270 EV worth of states. She doesn’t even have 10% of the vote share in any state. Thus a vote for her is only marginally better than a vote for Trump, and about as effective as staying home on Election Day.

This particular poster’s shiny object, Rechele Fruit, has even LESS of a chance. This candidate would require 50%+1 in three states, plus a successful write-in campaign for 50%+1 in another nine states (has that EVER happened in a SINGLE state) to get 87 EVs, a far cry from the 270 she needs to be elected. A vote for her is a fart in the wind. She doesn’t even make the polling.

One of two people will take the Oath of Office in 2025. If you don’t want Donald Trump and Project 2025 shoved up our privates, vote Harris. If you don’t want Harris, for whatever reason, may you suffer the consequences of Project 2025 particularly harshly, though I doubt many of the shi…err, posters who post here bashing Harris and the Dems will have to suffer the consequences of their claimed votes.

Stolen Valour.

Asking pollsters to be mind readers is a bit much, in my book. Besides. How can we count on Conservatives not voting for Trump? In that polling place, with hopes for more Conservative judges, fewer abortions, and more ‘Real America’, the cagey Conservative can vote for the evil without having to own that vote. I’ve met plenty of Conservatives who say, “I don’t like the guy personally, but I do like my 6-3 court, and Liberals want to take that away from me.”

If they vote for us, great! That’ll make a marginal victory into a landslide victory, and might push a marginal loss into a solid victory. But we can’t count on them. We need to do the work to make sure we get past that 50%+1 margin in at least 270 EVs worth of states and not count on other people to do it. I don’t want to wake up Wednesday morning and see that Stein got more votes in the state that we needed to get to 270 than Trump won that state by…

Dear reader, when you read OP’s posts, take the time to look at the upvote to downvote percentage. This poster is going out of its way to bash Democrats, and while we can’t say why that is (thanks mods!!!), we CAN say that there is a concerted effort by Republicans, Russians, right-wing trolls, and other authoritarians to throw this election to Trump to establish authoritarianism here. Keep that in mind as you read these articles from this poster.