There were primaries every one of those years. There was no rigging of the primaries. If people had voted differently in them we’d had different candidates.
Once again, did you put in a minimal amount of effort to educate yourself on the candidates and participate, or did you just whine about it after the fact?
What about the other primary years when the important stuff is really decided? Biden, Obama, and Clinton didn’t just magically appear and become contenders to the Democratic primaries. They spent decades as party members, working their way up from the bottom. You think Bill Clinton would’ve been President if he hadn’t been Governor? You think he would’ve been Governor if he hadn’t been Attourney General? You think he wouldn’t have been Attourney General if he hadn’t previously run for the House?
There were primary elections every step of that path, and he won them all. That’s how he became Bill Clinton. And why did he win that first nomination?
He was a coordinator for the McGovern campaign and clerked for Senator Fullbright.
People don’t magically get nominated for the Presidency. It takes decades, and the people who will be nominees in the future are running for county clerk, state rep, or city council now. But if you only show up to vote in general elections every 2-4 years, or only vote in the Presidenial primaries, you don’t get to bitch about who gets selected because you wait 20 years to give your input on a candidate.
Take part in the process and give your input when and where it matters or stop bitching about nobody listening to you.
That’s 100% false. Did they have preferred candidates? Absolutely. Did they keep people from voting for other candidates or discount their votes? No.
In fact, in 2016 when it was “stolen” from Bernie, the only way for Bernie to win would have been the superdelegates ignoring the results of the caucuses and primaries and installing Bernie as the candidate, which is exactly what everyone implies they did for Clinton.
It’s like there’s a recurring theme here: those who actually get off their ass and vote have more power to steer elections than those who bitch and moan about everything and stay home pouting.
How many primaries have you voted in? Do you engage in local politics and primaries to support progressives early in their careers to steer the party left, or do you show up every 4 years when CNN is talking about your state’s primary?
If you do the former - great! Encourage others to do so, and understand that it takes time to change a party’s direction. And in the meantime, support that party in the general elections because they’re still better than the alternative.
If you want them to win, you should encourage them to caucus with and run as a member of a party that can win.
Any effort put into 3rd parties is a waste of resources because they can’t ever win in our system of government. You can wish for things to be different, but wishing doesn’t accomplish anything.
Biden, Obama, and Clinton didn’t just magically appear and become contenders to the Democratic primaries. They spent decades as party members, working their way up from the bottom.
Are you suggesting that famous people from outside the party should be placed at the top of the ticket?
Good leaders spend a long time building experience. Someone with a strong legislative, judicial, or executive record should be the candidate. Not some reality TV star or shitty actor. We’ve done that enough in my lifetime.
So yeah, the candidate should be someone that’s been with the party for a long time, and that’s why it’s so important to get involved and vote in local primaries and elections so that the kind of candidate you want to support is the one that’s been working their way through party leadership for 20 years.
you made an excuse for 2012, covered up the systemic corruption in 2016 and 2020, and made another excuse for 2024.
There were primaries every one of those years. There was no rigging of the primaries. If people had voted differently in them we’d had different candidates.
Once again, did you put in a minimal amount of effort to educate yourself on the candidates and participate, or did you just whine about it after the fact?
What about the other primary years when the important stuff is really decided? Biden, Obama, and Clinton didn’t just magically appear and become contenders to the Democratic primaries. They spent decades as party members, working their way up from the bottom. You think Bill Clinton would’ve been President if he hadn’t been Governor? You think he would’ve been Governor if he hadn’t been Attourney General? You think he wouldn’t have been Attourney General if he hadn’t previously run for the House?
There were primary elections every step of that path, and he won them all. That’s how he became Bill Clinton. And why did he win that first nomination?
He was a coordinator for the McGovern campaign and clerked for Senator Fullbright.
People don’t magically get nominated for the Presidency. It takes decades, and the people who will be nominees in the future are running for county clerk, state rep, or city council now. But if you only show up to vote in general elections every 2-4 years, or only vote in the Presidenial primaries, you don’t get to bitch about who gets selected because you wait 20 years to give your input on a candidate.
Take part in the process and give your input when and where it matters or stop bitching about nobody listening to you.
this is a lie, by the dncs own admission
That’s 100% false. Did they have preferred candidates? Absolutely. Did they keep people from voting for other candidates or discount their votes? No.
In fact, in 2016 when it was “stolen” from Bernie, the only way for Bernie to win would have been the superdelegates ignoring the results of the caucuses and primaries and installing Bernie as the candidate, which is exactly what everyone implies they did for Clinton.
It’s like there’s a recurring theme here: those who actually get off their ass and vote have more power to steer elections than those who bitch and moan about everything and stay home pouting.
Donna Brazil would like a word. as would Michael moore
stop bitciing about others discontent
They made their own bed. I don’t want to hear a word out of them that isn’t working towards a realistic, attainable solution.
Voting in the general election against the worst party and voting in the primaries to make the other party better is a solution.
Choosing not to participate and then whining that those who do participate are making all the decisions is not.
get off the internet
hasn’t worked for me yet
How many primaries have you voted in? Do you engage in local politics and primaries to support progressives early in their careers to steer the party left, or do you show up every 4 years when CNN is talking about your state’s primary?
If you do the former - great! Encourage others to do so, and understand that it takes time to change a party’s direction. And in the meantime, support that party in the general elections because they’re still better than the alternative.
If it’s the second, then get more active.
I vote for people I want to win. if you want to fix your party, have at it.
If you want them to win, you should encourage them to caucus with and run as a member of a party that can win.
Any effort put into 3rd parties is a waste of resources because they can’t ever win in our system of government. You can wish for things to be different, but wishing doesn’t accomplish anything.
you’re the one who brought up so-called third parties.
this is the whole ball of wax
Are you suggesting that famous people from outside the party should be placed at the top of the ticket?
Good leaders spend a long time building experience. Someone with a strong legislative, judicial, or executive record should be the candidate. Not some reality TV star or shitty actor. We’ve done that enough in my lifetime.
So yeah, the candidate should be someone that’s been with the party for a long time, and that’s why it’s so important to get involved and vote in local primaries and elections so that the kind of candidate you want to support is the one that’s been working their way through party leadership for 20 years.
saying it doesn’t make it true.
this is exactly who my candidate is not.
no…you’re making a leap of logic