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  • mycodesucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    I hate Google as much as anybody else, but that Google has been ordered to open up when they already allow side loading, and Apple is apparently all good, is all you need to know this whole system is a joke.

    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 months ago

      It’s because Google is using their market dominance to essentially force OEMs to do what Google wants them to do.

      You can’t have a successful Android device without the Play store, or access to any Google apps. Shit, for lots of apps, they will be straight up broken without Play Services installed, or notifications won’t work.

      The market reality is that you have to have the play store. Google knows this, so they attach all kinds of extra requirements on OEMs to push Google services and tracking.

      Apple doesn’t do this. Yes, Apple’s system is more locked down than Google’s (by far), but Apple is not using their market position to force anything on anybody or any OEM. Google is. Apple has not forced Samsung, OnePlus, Motorola, Sony, etc to do anything. They are only doing things of their own accord, on their own devices.

      What Apple is doing is the same as what the games consoles do. You buy a Sony console, it has Sony software, Sony’s storefront, Sony-sanctioned games. It’s an ecosystem they’re putting on their own product, as opposed to Google strong-arming other companies into pushing Google’s ecosystem, because Google knows they have no realistic alternative. That’s why one is abuse of market dominance and the other isn’t.

      • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
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        2 months ago

        You can’t have a successful Android device without the Play store

        And you can’t have a device with the Apple Store at all.

        Apple is not using their market position to force anything on anybody or any OEM. Google is.

        You can’t claim that Google is more anti-competitive because they try to control how others use their OS when Apple doesn’t even let anyone else do that, and they still maintain a near-majority market-share in the US.

        it has Sony software, Sony’s storefront, Sony-sanctioned games…as opposed to Google strong-arming other companies into pushing Google’s ecosystem

        Damn Google, and their anti-competitive letting-competitors-use-their-software!

            • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 months ago

              Repeating my own comment back to me in a way that doesn’t even make sense doesn’t make you witty, it makes you look like someone who doesn’t know how to interract with people like an adult.

              You never addressed my comment at all. Apple isn’t abusing their dominant market position by putting what they want on their own phones.

              Google is abusing their market position by forcing other OEMs to do what Google wants, knowing they have no other choice.

              Do you understand now?

              If you want Apple to be punished, write some new laws, because they aren’t breaking the one Google is.

              • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
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                2 months ago

                Writing a comment that conveys absolutely nothing doesn’t make you witty, it makes you look like you have nothing to say to defend your position. Repeating it back is an attempt to illustrate that to you.

                You never addressed my comment at all.

                I clearly did. You, on the other hand, did not address my response.

                Apple is not using their market position to force anything on anybody or any OEM

                Apple isn’t abusing their dominant market position by putting what they want on their own phones.

                They’re abusing their market position by disallowing any software that’s not distributed according to Apple’s demands and forcing them to pay their exorbitant Apple tax for the great honor of distributing software on their platform. This unnecessarily drives up the costs for consumers and developers in order to further line Apple’s pockets.

                I honestly don’t know any way to explain this other than the way I already have: You can’t call Google anti-competitive for trying to control the way they deal with alternative app stores, and then claim Apple does nothing wrong when they don’t even allow other app stores in the first place? Like, I just don’t understand how that computes in your brain…

                You can’t have a successful Android device without the Play store,

                You literally can’t have a device at all with the Apple Store…

                The fact that Google is getting punished and Apple is not is not just hypocritical but also motivates other businesses to emulate Apple’s “walled garden” ideology.

                they aren’t breaking the one Google is.

                They’re breaking the exact same ones, in regards to how software is distributed in their ecosystem.

                Do you understand now?

                • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  2 months ago

                  I really don’t know how you aren’t grasping this.

                  Apple isn’t forcing anybody to do anything, because they make their own device. (iPhones are made by Apple).

                  Google is forcing OEMs to do all sorts of things, because they have no choice but to use Android/the play store. (Other phones, e.g. Samsung’s Galaxy S series, aren’t made by Google).

                  Do you understand? I’m not sure I can make this any more simple. What’s going on in your head that’s not letting you understand this?