And how exactly does a free fly invalidate the article about refunds requiring an NDA? Nobody is questioning whether there’s is some semblance of a game in a project that has been in development for over a decade, it would be a massive red flag if there’s wasn’t. What people are questioning is why is there a secret shop page that players can access ONLY after they’ve spent a thousand dollars on the game, and then another secret shop page after they’ve spent 10k? What’s up with the predatory practices?
Is your response “No no no, don’t look at those controversies. Look at how pretty the game is”? A free fly event doesn’t invalidate the claim that you might need to sign an NDA to get a refund. It doesn’t invalidate the claim that the devs had to pull 7 day work weeks. There are loads of criticism that the free fly does not address at all. These articles would exist even if everyone tried the free fly.
From my experience games that get “hate articles” are games that are already doing questionable things. You don’t get such articles circulating about good games because that shit just won’t stick. When it comes to SC and CI that shit does stick.
“A” refund, from “one” redditor who has provided no proof. On a subreddit that’s been known to brigade. I’m not saying CIG is a saint, but I feel like a rag piece and the outrage need to hold off for more info.
Seeing is believing and it would sway myself and many more. Until then, it is just another article written based on an unsubstantiated reddit post. And I’ve seen enough Reddit posts be bullshit to need to see that NDA before believing.
What’s your reason for asking? I’m assuming because you linked a rag piece and not the original reddit thread for context?
I’d need to see at least two different people with the same claim submit redacted copies. One of which should not have any history on the refunds reddit. One motivated person could forge an NDA, and again, I wouldn’t put it past that community to hallucinate yet another slight.
I am just curious how you know this? The SC reddit sub is huge compared to the refunds sub.
Just seems strange to claim to be so focused on “proof”, while seemingly making your own claims without any data. Shouldn’t there be a common standard?
Right, because the refundians are a loose collective, and CIG is a company. You can’t point at a singular post and go “there’s the brigading,” mostly because they get removed by mods, but hate groups brigade. But to cite a source, the Derek Smart “90 day cash flow” claim is a good place to start.
CIG has plenty of things to rightfully criticize, but this isn’t one of them until multiple people from multiple sources come forward. It’s sensationalist bullshit until proven otherwise.
Who said anything about CIG the company. I was referring to the size of the SC subreddit vs the refunds subreddit; specifically (420K vs ~25K). How would this brigading even work? What mostly gets removed by mods? Negative threads about SC or alleged brigaded votes? There are tons of critical threads about SC in various subreddits, so they don’t get removed.
Don’t see what Derek Smart has to do with star citizen as of now. His twitter is focused on crypto and “web 3.0 gaming”, why is this relevant.
That being said, you can find a subreddit that was run by star citizen fans about Derek Smart. Seems like it was archived due to constant rule violations.
Do you actually have any evidence or this just something you feel is right?
More info on this issue would definitely be interesting. But to be perfectly honest, I don’t believe star citizen fans are interested in any good faith discussion on this topics.
Man, moving the goalposts from CIG to the subreddit? Talk about bad faith. Nah, don’t have the time and crayons for a refunder. Enjoy your hate-filled existence lol
This is a luxury brand staple: it engenders loyalty because it makes the whales “better”.
You can’t buy certain luxury bags or watches or cars or whatever unless you have spent a giant pile of money on crap you may or may not want as the price of being allowed the special sales.
They aren’t half as shady as every other AAA gaming company. These things are blown way out proportion and CIG is held to double standards. They have crunch time and NDAs for disgruntled assholes? Oh no, the world is over, this company is pure evil like none other! It’s really not a big deal that this one refund has an NDA. Their others don’t, so it’s a weird thing, but to say this is proof of wrongdoing is fallacious grasping. To believe what Massively has to say about Star Citizen is like listening to what fox News has to say about Climate Change. Every little thing they can spin into making cig look bad they take, even things every other company does without issue. Hating SC gets way more engagement and ad revenue then almost any other kind of critical article in gaming. Just look at any post about SC on this community compared to others. It’s insane. And I don’t use that term lightly.
And how exactly does a free fly invalidate the article about refunds requiring an NDA? Nobody is questioning whether there’s is some semblance of a game in a project that has been in development for over a decade, it would be a massive red flag if there’s wasn’t. What people are questioning is why is there a secret shop page that players can access ONLY after they’ve spent a thousand dollars on the game, and then another secret shop page after they’ve spent 10k? What’s up with the predatory practices?
Is your response “No no no, don’t look at those controversies. Look at how pretty the game is”? A free fly event doesn’t invalidate the claim that you might need to sign an NDA to get a refund. It doesn’t invalidate the claim that the devs had to pull 7 day work weeks. There are loads of criticism that the free fly does not address at all. These articles would exist even if everyone tried the free fly.
From my experience games that get “hate articles” are games that are already doing questionable things. You don’t get such articles circulating about good games because that shit just won’t stick. When it comes to SC and CI that shit does stick.
“A” refund, from “one” redditor who has provided no proof. On a subreddit that’s been known to brigade. I’m not saying CIG is a saint, but I feel like a rag piece and the outrage need to hold off for more info.
How do you know this? There is a reason why I am asking.
And would you be willing to change your opinion if a redacted copy of the NDA was published?
Seeing is believing and it would sway myself and many more. Until then, it is just another article written based on an unsubstantiated reddit post. And I’ve seen enough Reddit posts be bullshit to need to see that NDA before believing.
What’s your reason for asking? I’m assuming because you linked a rag piece and not the original reddit thread for context?
I’d need to see at least two different people with the same claim submit redacted copies. One of which should not have any history on the refunds reddit. One motivated person could forge an NDA, and again, I wouldn’t put it past that community to hallucinate yet another slight.
I am just curious how you know this? The SC reddit sub is huge compared to the refunds sub.
Just seems strange to claim to be so focused on “proof”, while seemingly making your own claims without any data. Shouldn’t there be a common standard?
Right, because the refundians are a loose collective, and CIG is a company. You can’t point at a singular post and go “there’s the brigading,” mostly because they get removed by mods, but hate groups brigade. But to cite a source, the Derek Smart “90 day cash flow” claim is a good place to start.
CIG has plenty of things to rightfully criticize, but this isn’t one of them until multiple people from multiple sources come forward. It’s sensationalist bullshit until proven otherwise.
Who said anything about CIG the company. I was referring to the size of the SC subreddit vs the refunds subreddit; specifically (420K vs ~25K). How would this brigading even work? What mostly gets removed by mods? Negative threads about SC or alleged brigaded votes? There are tons of critical threads about SC in various subreddits, so they don’t get removed.
Don’t see what Derek Smart has to do with star citizen as of now. His twitter is focused on crypto and “web 3.0 gaming”, why is this relevant.
That being said, you can find a subreddit that was run by star citizen fans about Derek Smart. Seems like it was archived due to constant rule violations.
Do you actually have any evidence or this just something you feel is right?
More info on this issue would definitely be interesting. But to be perfectly honest, I don’t believe star citizen fans are interested in any good faith discussion on this topics.
Man, moving the goalposts from CIG to the subreddit? Talk about bad faith. Nah, don’t have the time and crayons for a refunder. Enjoy your hate-filled existence lol
This is a luxury brand staple: it engenders loyalty because it makes the whales “better”.
You can’t buy certain luxury bags or watches or cars or whatever unless you have spent a giant pile of money on crap you may or may not want as the price of being allowed the special sales.
Same thing.
They aren’t half as shady as every other AAA gaming company. These things are blown way out proportion and CIG is held to double standards. They have crunch time and NDAs for disgruntled assholes? Oh no, the world is over, this company is pure evil like none other! It’s really not a big deal that this one refund has an NDA. Their others don’t, so it’s a weird thing, but to say this is proof of wrongdoing is fallacious grasping. To believe what Massively has to say about Star Citizen is like listening to what fox News has to say about Climate Change. Every little thing they can spin into making cig look bad they take, even things every other company does without issue. Hating SC gets way more engagement and ad revenue then almost any other kind of critical article in gaming. Just look at any post about SC on this community compared to others. It’s insane. And I don’t use that term lightly.
Narrator: yet he did, just now.