• Tiltinyall@beehaw.org
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    There’s no red line that Americans can VOTE on. We don’t get to vote on how America goes to war, period. You really want to frame this in the context that your actually doing something other than undermining a fair election. You’ve gone way past the red line in your support of Trump.

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      Sure there is, you can vote Green or PSL. If you disapprove of the Democrats but will never not vote for them, you’re the same as the rabid supporters of Zionism that vote for the Dems, materially. Are you looking to join a Leftist party, try to destabilize the system and establish Socialism? If not, it seems like you’re just supporting the status quo and not lifting a finger no matter how bad it gets.

      No, I don’t support Trump, that’s why I support leftist candidates and advocate for people to abandon the Dems and Reps.

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        you can vote Green or PSL

        You sure can if you believe that making an insignificant point in a ballot box is worth more than the actual lives of people who would die because of a Trump administration but not under a Harris one. But if you want to make an actual difference. the ballot box is one of the very few times you need to hold your nose and do the uncomfortable thing of choosing liberalism over fascism.

        But if you’re okay with fascism, sure. Go and make your vote a spoiler that helps the fascists win. I’m sure the people who die because doctors who were scared to provide medically necessary abortions will be grateful that you did the morally superior, but entirely ineffective, thing.

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          You sure can if you believe that making an insignificant point in a ballot box is worth more than the actual lives of people who would die because of a Trump administration but not under a Harris one. But if you want to make an actual difference. the ballot box is one of the very few times you need to hold your nose and do the uncomfortable thing of choosing liberalism over fascism.

          You can vote for fascism if that’s what you want, I reject it.

          But if you’re okay with fascism, sure. Go and make your vote a spoiler that helps the fascists win. I’m sure the people who die because doctors who were scared to provide medically necessary abortions will be grateful that you did the morally superior, but entirely ineffective, thing.

          You’re voting fascism in, the Dems have failed for half a century to codify abortion rights because they don’t care.

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            You can vote for fascism if that’s what you want, I reject it.

            You’re literally making the choice to put fascism in power. I’m trying to stop you from making the same mistake I made in 2016.

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                you keep saying “vote” as if it means the same thing in a ranked-choice voting system and a first-past-the-post voting system.

                newsflash: you’re not making the difference you claim you’re making. if anything, you’re making it worse. congratulations! good job! you did it! you get a good star!

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      then is the system fair? is it really democracy whats happening here?

      societies generally throw away the rules and stop relying on these institutions when it becomes clear they arent actually doing anything for us. why arent us?