• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      Marx and Engels were called “authoritarian” so frequently by their contemporaries that Engels wrote On Authority. What’s considered “authoritarian” is a moving target, an arbitrary line in the sand just for people who succeed in revolution, or at least in throwing off western Imperialist powers.

      If your argument is that Marxism isn’t Leftist then that’s hilarious

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        my argument isn’t that marx isn’t left (especially since I’ve read his later works), nor that auth-left isn’t left… just that I’m an anti authotitarian leftist

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          Gotcha, you’re just anti-Marxist then. Can’t say I agree with that, but that’s less nonsensical than saying Marx isn’t left.

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            I don’t belive marx to be really auth, since he was striving for a stateless society, I just disagree with him on how we get there

            so I’m not exactly an anti marxist, but neither a marxist

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              What Marx calls the “State” and what Anarchists call the “State” are different concepts, ergo what Marx calls “Stateless” would still have hierarchy, and what Anarchists call “Stateless” would still have implementations of class oppression. Marxists and Anarchists do not want the “same thing.”

              If we take your statement that your only major aggreement with Marx is a “Stateless” society, but you’re working off the Anarchist definition of the State, then you are necessarily anti-Marxist. I’d rather you say that openly than try to twist Marxism despite being an Anarchist, so I hope it’s just a misunderstanding on your part.

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                well, then I’m an “anti-marxist” I wouldn’t really like to put it that way tho, since I agree with him on a lot of things

                also sry for twisting things, it’s been a long time since I read marx

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                  That’s fine, I would just focus more on your “pro-Anarchist” identity than your “anti-‘authoritarian’” side. You can be whatever you want to be, your political views are your own.

                  also sry for twisting things, it’s been a long time since I read marx

                  It wasn’t a moral judgement! Just wanted to clear up a clear misconception. I obviously recommend reading more Marx. What do you agree with about Marx?

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                    > What do you agree with about Marx?

                    just off my head:

                    • the labor theory of value
                    • surplus value
                    • freedom
                    • that the means of production should be owned by the community
                    • democracy (from what I remember he was kinda democtratic, please correct me)