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“I’m worried about the fact that violence in the country is just escalating so much,” she says. “That this is a symptom of everyone thinking violence will solve their problems, and that I find tremendously frightening.”
I don’t know if violence can solve our problems or not, but I can guarantee that not changing anything, and maintaining the status quo, absolutely will NOT solve our problems, in healthcare or otherwise.
Biden in 2020, Harris in 2024: “Nothing will fundamentally change if you vote for us!”
Obama (“Change you can believe in”): Come on, you know why you are having such trouble at the ballot box
And even if it doesn’t solve the problem it at least makes people feel a bit better about it.
Violence is on their side lol
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The violent revolutionaries added an “or else” to Ghandi’s message.
I thought in Gandhi’s case what he preached was to just not cooperate with the British occupation and let it collapse under its own weight, which is kind of its own or else. Where can I learn more about the violent revolutionaries?
Dunno about the Ghandi situation, but a book that talks about how unions were forced into violence to get their pay from thieving industrial barons, among other examples of violence being the only way people claw back what they’re owed from the ruling class is A People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinn.
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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
It will.
The status quo is violent.
Murdering people with a pen is still murdering people.
How is this an escalation? It’s just one murder.
I like that even the doctors and professionals they found to interview for the story went out of their way to point out that yes, of course violence isn’t a good thing and this probably isn’t the way, but he’s been hurting people left and right, and they see it every day, and they’re glad he’s dead, and so is everyone they know.
I made a large collection of screenshots from Facebook of people who had their claims denied by United Healthcare today if you want to really see violence.
Horrific!
Sick
But they’ll have this guy soon. Then the story will be about him.
If you seriously think he’s going to be given a fair trial and not executed by the police during arrest, you’re either way too optimistic or way too naive.
He sent a message that brought the public together against an institution that abuses them instead of driving them to fight amongst themselves. The rich and powerful are not going to let him send another one.
Thing is, most every cop has also had dealings with shit insurance providers. Being a cop didn’t get their dying father better cancer treatment.
Cops are bootlickers. They will fall all over themselves to unload a magazine on this guy if it gets them accolades from those in power. Even if their mother or father was denied life saving cancer meds by the very guy who this hero shot.
I’m not going to say how I feel about this, but I will say that United Health Care told me 2 separate times that they would reimburse me $2,000 for the vaccines before I traveled.
Then I got the vaccines and when I submitted the paperwork, they refused to reimburse me and the manger was like, “Oh, we made a mistake, we will not reimburse you for that.”
Also - $2000 for vaccines?!
Anti rabies was $1080 for 3 shots. There were a few others I needed since I was moving to a different country.
wtf. I’m glad I won the lottery with where I was born. But saying that, it has to be a constant struggle to prevent that dystopia anywhere. Not luck. Were the shots required for visas? Did you look into the price difference getting them at your destination? - more out of curiosity . $200nzd is the highest price I could find for full dose here in NZ - and thats private (not publicly funded). Approx 100usd. Some of your others would be free. I’m guessing you’re not coming to NZ though so not questioning your choice to vax for whats required at destination - sensible. Just the absolute scam world you poor Americans have to live with. We are all headed there if we aren’t careful, and keep our wits.
Should’ve said no take backs. Thats on you /s
This genuinely made me laugh.
I feel like the “/s” thing always ruins the joke. For me, it’s the ambiguity that makes it funny, if sarcasm is stated explicitly it just doesn’t work that well.
I see it a lot nowadays, so my comment is not targeted at you, do not take it personally. Just a thought I had.
No. If you omit it, you reinforce the belief of fascists
Is this an actual reason for why people do that, an ad hoc explanation, or a view that just a few people hold?
People are lazy. But, yes, many people who do write “/s” do it so that fascists know we’re making fun of them, not reinforcing their beliefs.
It’s the same reason Mein Kampf requires footnotes in Germany, by law
Ok fine, I can accept this can be used SOMETIMES when you need to make something completely unambiguous, but more often than not you want the opposite - amd most things don’t have anything to do with nazism, and sarcasm can be picked up easily usually as well.
Starship Troopers. American Psycho. Taxi Driver. Joker. South Park.
All of these are celebrated by the right because they failed to understand that I was actually a criticism of them.
Sarcasm without tags on 4chan gave safe harbor to neonazis. I think a slightly tarnished joke is worth it to keep out nazis.
That, plus sarcasm really only works if people know who you are, and thus can know you’re being sarcastic. It doesn’t reliably come across when you’re talking to strangers.
I partly agree with your second point, but the thing is that you have to figure out the person does not mean what they say - that’s the point. If you state the sarcasm explicitly it is not really sarcasm. And while in some contexts it can be hard to know for sure whether something is sarcasm, I do not think this is a problem, and it is more often than not, like in this case, rather obvious.
Also, for the “antifascist” thing to work you would have to take everything everyone says at face value to make sure there are no ambiguities. So if made a joke withut the “/s” or “/j” or whatever you would assume I am being serious? Honestly, making our communication more primitive just so that fascists are marginally easier to spot(I mean you can probably figure it out without the “/s” anyway) is, in my opinion, absurd.
If they catch him jury selection will be a tough gig for the State.
Dont think they will catch hiim, and if they do won’t be alive. Bet they have kill on site as their orders.
Maybe. Seems he has a few slip ups and they seem to have several leads. I think he’ll end up caught or end up dead. If caught, everyone in that city will need to remember jury nullification.
They could also just find him innocent. For example, if he is charged with premeditated murder, the jury could say they did not think the murder was premeditated and that he is innocent.
They could say that they don’t think the defendant is the person who did the crime and that he is innocent.
You just described jury nullification
I thought jury nullification was a third verdict that is not guilt or innocent.
Jury nullification is exercised by juries finding defendants not guilty
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Jury nullification refers to a jury’s knowing and deliberate rejection of the evidence or refusal to apply the law either because the jury wants to send a message about some social issue that is larger than the case itself, or because the result dictated by law is contrary to the jury’s sense of justice, morality, or fairness.
It’s a bit more complex and broad than that.
Its the jury disagreeing with the law
“We find the defendant innocent”
Or simply, “Oh this is the shooter? No he isn’t.”
Don’t let the selectors know you know about Jury Nullification.
We all were born into the social contract. The nation states of the world assumed a monopoly on violence to provide justice instead of us taking revenge. But when there is no justice, there are only two options: to resign yourself to injustice or to take revenge.
And yet this country chose to elect a president who has in no uncertain terms said he will dissolve Obamacare which will only give more money and power to the CEOs of shitty healthcare companies.
If caught, this guy could be convicted of a felony. He has also shot someone on “5th Avenue”. Likely this guy could get elected president and avoid serving any time. There’s precedent.
To be fair, people tried to shoot him too.
But the reason many voted for him, or simply didn’t vote at all was because the traditional poloticians weren’t helping either. Kind of a “banging my head against this wall hasn’t worked, let try this other wall.”
Yeah, nothing like trying to reign in the oligarchs who are over pricing everything by installing a bunch of oligarchs as your defacto government. That’ll surely fix the problem.
I don’t think the people who crossed over or stayed home expect trump to fix anything. That just wanted to send a message that they were not okay with what the dems were doing. And they didn’t have many options.
You are assigning far too much thought to how people voted this go around. I think it’s more basic than that. I think it’s just straight up apathy. Along with a good bit of confusion that was juiced by one of the richest men on the planet. Who just so happens to own one of the largest social media platforms that has ever existed.
Conspiracy theorists fall into the hole of trying to boil down complicated problems to just one singular factor. But it’s not. It’s very very complicated and there’s a lot of things that need to be done to fix it. My personal hope is that one of those will be that this absolute win by the Republican party and Trump in particular will be the the ax that takes down the Democratic party and allows us to build a new one in its place. But that’s kind of a pipe dream I think. Old dogs die hard. Plus there’s nobody out there who wants to step up and push the Democratic party out of the way. Bernie would be the obvious choice but he doesn’t seem interested in taking leadership role in a brand new party to oust the old one.
Bernie is too old. His time has passed. Some point to AOC. But I’m not feeling it really. Who knows though. Trump sort of came out of nowhere and took over the republican party.
More like “let’s blow myself up together with the wall, that’ll show it!”
More like “I didn’t bother educating myself on these two walls but when I was growing up in the 80s ‘R’ next to a name meant financial security to my daddy, so now that the economy isn’t great I need to vote R.”
I am sure there were plenty of those, but they always do that. So nothing new there. And I don’t blame them honestly. When both choices suck, why invest a ton of time and energy into researching. The way businesses pass work onto us these days means everyone is short of time and energy.
Ding ding ding!
Obamacare is a pretty huge handout to insurance companies anyway.
How so. I always thought the things like forcing them to keep children till they’re 26 and not being able to drop people for pre existing conditions were good for consumers.
It also mandated people buy coverage and let them have 20% overhead which is absurdly high. Marketplaces added subsidies for buying insurance, which is ultimately a benefit to the insurance company. It also expanded Medicaid, which pays out tons to insurance companies through HMO plans. It also gave them justification to raise rates, as they now had to cover more things.
Covering kids until 26 is nice, but it’s basically free from the insurance company perspective. Covering pre-existing conditions is a negative, but there’s still room to increase premiums from it. The overall affect of the bill was positive for insurance companies.
It also mandated people buy coverage
Which got dropped fast, which I think is good, myself, for the reason you stated next:
and let them have 20% overhead
It’s only saving graces were the payment assistance and blocking the insurance companies from denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Though the insurance companies found other ways to deny coverage.
Yeah, the only good thing about Trump possibly destroying the ACA is that I may provide the impetus to replace it with something better. I somewhat doubt that, but there’s a chance, especially if we start seeing a lot more hate towards health insurance companies.
This won’t work if Trump warps our government in order to install himself as president for life.
No - I’m not letting this logic fester or gain traction. Trump and republicans do not want to replace the ACA. That’s a complete and total fantasy. Democrats took decades to get the ACA enacted, so once it’s gone it’s probably gone for decades. If republicans gave a damn they would’ve helped fix what is wrong with the ACA, but they’d rather full repeal with no plan to replace. Listen to what any of them say or do, they wear it as a badge of honor.
I meant after they destroy it and democrats, or whoever, take back power. Obviously Republicans aren’t going to replace it with anything good.
They had zero actual plan to replace it with anything last time they took it away, they didn’t even really pretend to even have one.
I am too young to have experienced what it was like Pre Obamacare. But as I understand it, insurance companies used to be able to drop you if you cost too much. What is the point of their existence then? What is the point of buying insurance if they can just drop you if you cost too much.
The point of their existence is - and has always been - to line their own pockets. Thassit.
Universal healthcare NOW
https://www.newsweek.com/87-democrats-support-medicare-all-though-joe-biden-doesnt-1522833
87% of democrats support single payer but Biden doesnt. Trump doesnt either.
Single payer or a public option would be steps in the right direction.
Karma is a bitch
A cold blooded murder
Did people see how Obhma acted when Osama was killed ?
a bad guy who "deserved it " ?
It is good to see the viewpoint of people working in health care. That they were afraid of being attacked over denied claims they have no control over, and that they see someone shot who was actually one of the guilty.
I absolutely don’t shed a tear for this man, nor his family, honestly. They lived their best life with the money he made off the denials of those who needed help the most. They can all straight up fuck themselves. Same with the media outlets trying to chastise the masses for their corporate overloads finally feeling a bit of the same discomfort and worry that they’ve saddled the rest of us with.
I don’t advocate for violence, but I absolutely don’t feel a thing for this guy or any other billionaire with similar targets bearing down on them. I see nothing, I know nothing, and thanks to their ilk, I feel nothing.
Oh look at Mr Tough Guy over here! Too tough to shed tears of joy, huh Mr Tough Guy! Pathetic!
This was lost completely on light thinkers.
Why are you so mad? You might need to take a break from online interaction until you calm down. Or not, I’m not your unloving parent!
As they should.
