The decision by President Joe Biden to pardon his son, Hunter, despite previously suggesting he would not do so, has reopened debate over the use of the presidential pardon.
Fucking good. The pardon power is bullshit and we ought to pull it the fuck out of the constitution. I’m glad Brandon pardoned his son, though, I hope republicans go apoplectic. Those cunts ushered in this era of lawlessness, why the fuck should we play ball? Sort out your twice-impeached rapist felon traitor president, cunts. Don’t step to me with this Hunter Biden bullshit. Fuck off and die.
Honestly, Biden should just go completely off the rails, and do all the shit Trump is threatening to do, including jailing political rivals. Including the red members of the SCOTUS. Give them plenty of warning, and plenty of time to reverse their prior ruling, but start following through if they decline to. Make them respond.
I said months ago that Biden and the larger Democratic party needed to come out swinging. I doubled down after Biden’s lackluster debate. When Harris hit the ground sprinting I was actually happy. Then some traditional democratic strategic asshat convinced her to simmer down and take a risky route that would only have worked 25 years ago.
Step up, Dems. We’ve gone from cushy NFL offsides to NFL Blitz and you’re waaay behind.
Too bad the Democrats official motto is “when they go low, we sit here and do absofucukinglutly nothing but cry about it and let them tread all over us.”
I find their continued requests for donations while they do absolutely nothing to be particularly infuriating.
Donate to us, we gave Oprah too much!
Joe Biden is an embarrassment. This is another reason why the US chose trump, democrats have proven to be no different than the GOP. The republicans are honest about how corrupt they are. What a fucking sad state
Yeah one has pardoned his son, while the other has raped children, been good friends with Epstein, is a felon, lies frequently, and has attempted overthrow the US government. They’re totally the same thing!
Epstein’s friend Bill Clinton? But seriously, they are NOT the same, but they are both own by the same people…and neither really care about the average person.
Wtf are you talking about? I’m talking about the recently elected president of the United States, Trump, and the president that is just leaving the position, Biden. You show me a picture of Epstein and Clinton? Fuck Bill Clinton if he did do BS with Epstein, but the point is, OUR INCOMING PRESIDENT WAS GOOD FRIENDS WITH EPSTEIN! It feels like you’re trying to make up some comparison that doesn’t exist.
You come this thread with wHaT aBoUt trUmP?! …when all I was saying is that Biden is shit. See how whataboutism is ridiculous? Both suck spend your time better
You:
democrats have proven to be no different than the GOP.
Me:
Yeah one has pardoned his son, while the other has raped children, been good friends with Epstein, is a felon, lies frequently, and has attempted overthrow the US government.
That’s not what aboutism, that’s directly addressing your false equivalency. The GOP and the Democrats are absolutely not the same. Then you bring up Epstein and Bill Clinton, but sure I’m the one bringing up random people. The GOP supports traitors, the DNC does not.
Oh my god, Biden did something vaguely questionable, clutch my fucking pearls.
vague questionable on a case that was questionable. I still think of how clintons impeachment was due to a lie about a relationship with lewinski in the watergate investigation which they were cleared for but they still impeached due to the lie about the questionable personal relationship and then not having even that for biden they went after his son who at most used his name to make money. But trump was impeached because of withholding money to a foreign leader until they managed to pressure their press to give him a line of attack on his opponent. And the dems never impeached bush or reagan. sad.
Ethical standards. Don’t make me fucking laugh.
There is no “ethical debate” anymore. You’re system is broken to the core and I don’t blame Biden at all for saying “fuck it”.
Hell, if I were him I’d use my so-called “Presidential Immunity” to do whatever he can to fuck up the MAGA agenda before he leaves.
“I’m putting 6 new judges on the supreme court, all democract. Why? Because fuck you, that’s why.”
“I’m giving two of our nukes because fuck Putin”
This is what does it? I’m not a fan of the nepotism, but there were plenty of worse cases that should’ve renewed the debate. Doesn’t give me much hope for whatever comes out of this “debate”.
No this is faux outrage.
These people get angry at literally anything they are told to get angry at.
You’d think Trump and Giuliani selling pardons for $2 million a piece would be a much bigger example.
As soon as a democrat does it, everyone suddenly cares? We should do this more often, clearly the magats need to see an example before they’ll agree to fix the loopholes.
It’s easy to expect perfection from your opponents while crying about whataboutism when someone points out their side has done the same.
We want to elect a president who is a convicted fraudster, found to have committed a sexual assault, who incited people to overthrow the government and murder is VP then watched excitedly while it went down, and who has promised to suspend our rights to punish anyone who questions him…
And then, we want to talk about presidential ethics?
Yeah, no. That ship has sailed. Ethics will get much much worse, because that’s what voters clearly selected. Lets not pretend anyone gives a shit.
I’m hoping that this is just a start and won’t be a single action. I can unfortunately see the side of everyone’s opinion on this, good and bad, which is why it needs to be today’s headline only because Trump hasn’t put some other loyalist in a position today yet.
LOL, “debate”.
The qons do whatever the hell they want, and dare anyone to push back. If anyone even clears their throat, the right cries about being “cancelled” or whatever.
Yes, Biden made a bad decision
However
Trump pardoned all his friends and heavy criminals before, nobody gave a damn. He said he’d pardon all those in the January 6 coup , and he would pardon himself.
Biden did the right thing, not only for his family, because of course, but also to start this debate. Hopefully we can stop presidential pardons before trump gets in. Not that it will matter, trump will just do whatever the fuck he wants
I’m not sure getting rid of presidential pardons is right either. There are cases of provably innocent people on death row who have been saved from execution by presidential pardon because the justice system otherwise failed them. It’s not a perfect system, and it has failed more than it has saved, but until we reform the justice system (and probably ban the death penalty) stopping presidential pardons is a terrible idea.
If innocent people in jail is a problems then pardons are NOT the solution.
Fix the damn broken justice system. A fair justice system doesn’t have as it’s main goal to jail criminals, it has as its main goal to keep the innocent out.
Better have a few criminals who unjustly stay out of jail than having a few innocents in jail
The time to worry about the limits of presidential power was during the supreme court decision on immunity
Now that cats out of the bag, there’s no sense in Biden trying to adhere to standards that no longer exist
True. Ain’t nobody “reopening” debate except corporate news holes.
Yup. Let him go crazy with those powers. As sour as it tastes, he was given authority to do so by the Federal Supreme Court. If MAGA doesn’t like it they can kiss our collective asses and roll that shit back.
They won’t, of course, for a couple reasons:
- It IS another form of power
- They know the left will have plenty of people complaining whenever someone on their side decides to use it, while everyone on the Far Right will rejoice.
I suggest those of you whining about this take a step back and look at the bigger issues. One of which happens to be rather rotund, orange, and requires us to stop bickering.
You argument is quite literally “the president should just go ahead and misuse power right now because it was abused before.” It’s astonishing what you people will let Dems get away with and how little you consider the damage it does to the party’s image, chances, conduct and culture.
The damage is already done, why worry about image, chances conduct and culture in a country that’s got no future either way
He might as well do what he can while he can, none of it is going to matter for long
Sooo…
Why’d he just pardon his own son?
Why isn’t he trying to fix this broken law rather than just pardoning his own son who’s in his 50s?
Like, if the gloves are off shouldn’t Biden be doing a bunch of stuff to help a lot of people at once?
He’s fine with his son breaking this gun law for crack, but won’t de-regulate cannabis so Americans in states where it’s legal won’t be breaking the law by owning a gun?
Drunks and (some special) crackheads can have guns but somebody who smokes a little green at night instead of a beer can’t own a gun?
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After four years of political experts outling actions he can take…
It’s really fucking depressing some people honestly believe this is all he can do
Why isn’t he trying to fix this broken law rather than just pardoning his own son who’s in his 50s?
Do you not understand what powers the President is given? Executive orders can only do so much, and it’s irrelevant when the next administration can simply undo them in a month.
Let’s say all he can do is pardon people to save them from trump…
You telling me the only person trump is/was going after is Hunter?
The President doesn’t make laws, Congress does. You need to be talking to your representative and Senators and holding them accountable.
About cannabis specifically, he already pardoned the federal non-violent, non-distribution offenders. And his DOJ has recommended the DEA reschedule it to a Class III drug, they’re the department that actually controls drug scheduling.
State drug laws are not something the President has control of. Again that you be your State reps.
You seem to either not understand how this works or are purposely ignoring that for whatever reason.
About cannabis specifically, he already pardoned the federal non-violent, non-distribution offenders. And his DOJ has recommended the DEA reschedule it to a Class III drug, they’re the department that actually controls drug scheduling.
He pardoned some.
He can order agencies to do things and replace them if they refuse.
But even if the only thing he can do is pardon people to save them from trump…
Why is he only pardoning his son who admitted guilt to his crimes already?
Do you and Biden both think Hunter is the only one at risk and the only one that need protection from trump?
Why do you think that Trump is going to give any shit about whether someone has been pardoned already? What in his history makes you think he will follow the law?
So you’re happy Biden did this…
But it means absolutely nothing…
Why do you think he did it anyways?
I don’t honestly care about it that much. Biden is correct that these specific specific charges are rarely brought to court, and if Hunter were anyone else, they wouldn’t have been. There WAS political interference by the Republicans ONLY because it was Biden’s son, he was targeted for political reasons, not because of the laws he broke.
The pardon power SHOULD be used in situations of injustice. Individuals being targeted because of who they are related to, race, gender, identity, etc. instead of the merits of the charges themselves. Or where extenuating circumstances provide a lot more context. Law enforcement has a lot of leeway with determining when to arrest and prosecute, and jury nullification exists for context situations at the peer level already. Laws are written by man, and many laws on the books are unjust, some by design. There are situations where something illegal probably shouldn’t be, or the context surrounding it needs to be considered. Sometimes the end does justify the means. Government whistleblowers being targeted for instance.
There WAS political interference by the Republicans ONLY because it was Biden’s son, he was targeted for political reasons, not because of the laws he broke.
What republicans?
The ones Biden appointed?
Otherwise I don’t see how they were capable of doing things the last four years…
The president cannot create laws or change the constitution themselves. That’s what the legislative branch does.
Yeah, but what if Biden makes it an “official act” to abolish Congress and usurp the ability to make law? It’s clearly illegal, but POTUS cannot be held to account so nobody can stop him… right?
Trump is going to pardon much worse criminals than Hunter. And the GOP won’t say shit.
Hypocrites are going to do what they want. So what debate?
Is going to and already has pardoned worse.
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