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It comes down to this, the heavyweight desktop championship between two powers in the Linux world.

In the blue corner, we have the mighty KDE, KDE comes with a wealth of customization options and good features with every update. It serves a nice alternative to windows 10 or 11s desktop and itself as an OS.

KDE has got so good that even legendary distro, Fedora, wishes to use it in its dealings.

In the grey/black corner, we have GNOME, This is a heavy distro with some ram usage, but it strives to be a simple desktop for usage and has had some good features every new version it comes packaged in as well.

GNOME has had a long history much like KDE, But controversial changes from its older brother.

However… big name distros like Ubuntu have used it across millions of machines in different sectors.

What desktop do you favour and why? Explain your thoughts.

Round 2… GO!

Ding

  • youmaynotknow@lemmy.ml
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    11 days ago

    Yeah, KDE’s customization is overwhelming in my opinion. I like my OS like I like my boss: “support me, get out of my way, and let me do my work”. Gnome does exactly that.

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    10 days ago

    Damn this thread really makes me feel like a minority, but I prefer GNOME! It comes useful out of the box, sane defaults, easy to extend without ripping out the soul of how it functions. Best of all it has a new and interesting direction for the desktop UI rather than just copying Windows. It has some original ideas that really serve it well.

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    11 days ago

    Changed to Cinnamon (Linux Mint) after GNOME 3 and Ubuntu’s Unity went bonkers, then changed to KDE Plasma some years ago.

    I think KDE is constantly working to improve the desktop paradigm. GNOME tried to change the paradigm… I didn’t like what I saw. I’m too old to learn new tricks.

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    11 days ago

    Linux desktop environments is the Trans rights of politics. Very easy to debate, everyone has an opinion, but not where the focus should be

    Turns on reply notifications and sticks phone in butt

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    11 days ago

    You didn’t mention KDE’s lack of any adequate stability. That’s what makes it incomparable to GNOME. They serve completely different use cases.

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      11 days ago

      KDE Plasma is wonderfully stable if you mean reliable, if you mean unchanging then yeah, it has quite a few changes.

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        11 days ago

        i know i’ll get downvoted but this was my experience last time i tried kde a few weeks ago (kubuntu and fedora kde):

        • cool animations but stuttery as hell

        • browser randomly consuming 10% of cpu, making everything else slow as if it was using 100% (tested: firefox, librewolf, floorp, brave)

        • programs refusing to install

        • programs refusing to open

        • editing the taskbar often resulted in all the items going on top of each other, i couldn’t move them until i rebooted. couldn’t find an option to reset the whole thing

        • i put cpu and gpu temps in the system monitor and it always borked after it had been closed a few minutes

        • kded5 or something like that constantly popped up wanting to create a new wallet. couldn’t figure out how to disable. guides pointed to a configuration file that didn’t exist on my system

        idk if it’s an nvidia thing but none of these happen on other DEs

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            11 days ago

            well yeah i tried ubuntu a couple years back and i remember having some issues with it too.

            weird thing is that mint has never had any issues even though it’s based on ubuntu. not even nvidia related issues.

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          11 days ago

          It’s more of a distro problem than KDE. I have nvidia toi, and I admit, it bugs sometimes out.

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            11 days ago

            well, cinnamon works great on mint and fedora, and i have had less (none) gpu related issues on mint than i did even on windows. kde wouldn’t play nice with my old pc components either and gpu is the only thing that i kept, so i would suspect it’s some weirdness between my gpu and kde.

            and too bad i can’t go with amd because i need hdmi 2.1

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              10 days ago

              Rel man, I got pretty good nvidia gpu, but its 10 yo, it never played well with linux, but I feel like recently its much smoother experience on KDE wayland, before I had to use xorg as it was unusable on wayland. I think new major version (6) + constant updates to wayland made it usable, thats why i praise KDE so much, great DE and all their apps (like KDE connect, filelight, partition manager etc.).

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        sorry, i love plasma and i’d use it over gnome any day of the week, but there are still a ton of papercuts that make me feel uneasy about recommending it to anyone else. gnome is boring and it personally slows me down, but i feel safer setting up a corporate workstaion with gnome knowing the user won’t break something by accident

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        11 days ago

        I meant reliability. It’s bad if you use ANY feature besides virtual desktops and app opening. In my understanding “stability” is stability of ALL features of the program, no matter how rarely they’re used.

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          It really isn’t, at least in my experience. And I have an Nvidia card!

          All software beyond a moderate complexity has bugs.

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            11 days ago

            It really isn’t, at least in my experience

            works in my machine is an opinion not an argument. Different people have different expectations and experiences.

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              11 days ago

              Doesn’t work on my machine is an opinion not an argument. Different people have different expectations and experiences.

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            11 days ago

            It really isn’t, at least in my experience. And I have an Nvidia card!

            Oh then it makes sense why you argued. However it’s important to keep in mind that experience can vary among users. For example, in my case Plasma was very unstable on an Intel iGPU.

            All software beyond a moderate complexity has bugs.

            Not an excuse tbh.

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              11 days ago

              Not an excuse tbh.

              The thing to do is participate in the beta programs and report any bugs you find, as you’re having so much instability you would be an ideal participant whereas me with my smooth running wouldn’t.

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                11 days ago

                It’s not what I’m saying. KDE releases untested and buggy builds to stable. It makes it unstable software. If you’re a KDE fan, I understand, but don’t reject objective facts.

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              11 days ago

              You didn’t mention KDE’s lack of any adequate stability. That’s what makes it incomparable to Gnome.

              But then also:

              However it’s important to keep in mind that experience can vary among users.

              Oh the irony.

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    11 days ago

    I see Gnome typically using 1.6gb of ram (8-4gb ram vm/real system)
    Kde without any effects about the same with effects on about 2gb

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    11 days ago

    I’ve used KDE for more than a decade, and then about 1.5 years ago I decided to give Gnome a try. A few months ago I wanted to see KDE again, but I quickly switched back to Gnome.

    KDE:

    • Feature-rich desktop with feature-rich tools by default. Everything is so advanced and customizable, I really miss this.
    • Lately I’ve encountered many annoying bugs (this was the main reason why I tried Gnome in the first place). Crashing while trying to unlock the screen, fractional scaling issues, and random crashes here and there (although these are rare). And I would love to dive into it and fix them, but there are so many other stuffs I wanna do, I don’t have the capacity for this.
    • Setting color profiles for monitors is not trivial.
    • There are many annoying UX issues that are really negligible, but if they worked well, my experience would’ve been much smoother. Here’s an example: start to type your password on the lock screen, while the monitor is sleeping. On most OS and also on KDE, the first interaction must be to wake up the screen, and then you can type your password. On Gnome, just start typing and hit enter. The screen might wake up halfway while you’re typing, but it still does what you’d expect. These kind of small things make my experience so much smoother and so much more comfortable.

    Gnome:

    • It just works. Flawlessly and smoothly, to my surprise. Sure, it’s easy to accomplish when it’s so minimalistic, that almost nothing is in there. But whatever there is, at least it works.
    • Fractional scaling is a pain in the ass here too, but in a different way. It’s still an experimental feature though, so we could say this feature doesn’t even exist, which is a huge disadvantage.
    • Feature-rich software can be installed afterwards. So it’s not really bothering me that the pre-installed tools are too minimalistic.
    • Setting color profiles for monitors is very straightforward, but there’s way to improve here too.

    To sum up, my preference is less bugs over more features, so I pick Gnome.

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      11 days ago

      Good summary, I can’t stand Zorin’s GNOME on my laptop though (I used to use KDE on my main PC). Come on, 5 clicks to connect with BT headphones every time? No auto-connecting? I have to install extensions anyway? Meh that’s not for me…I can’t change date to ISO format on my laptop, because I need extension for this too. Another extension for auto-connecting with VPN, and another app as a killswitch. Just you need to find an app/extension/tweak if you want to do anything more advanced than most basic functionality, it annoys me af. And I really like Zorin, its so noob-friendly (as I wanted it to be), but at the same time many functionalities don’t work just because of “simplicity”.

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    11 days ago

    KDE - Its got people behind it who actually give a flying fuck about their end users.

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    11 days ago

    I like both. I prefer KDE for keyboard and mouse use and GNOME for touchscreen use.

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    I only have experience with Gnome out of the two but I haven’t had the urge to switch yet. I like the look of it (I like that it looks different to Windows), the simplicity and the customisation with extensions (only a few and small ones, I recently started using OpenBar for some customization but I could do without). I keep my system rather minimal and I am not looking to put a lot of time into theming or customization.

    I also tried Cosmic and I like the tiling aspect of it, but I also don’t feel the need to switch. Maybe once it is released and I can figure out how to install it on Aeon.

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    11 days ago

    I use Mint with Cinnamon with the Cinnamenu menu (instead of the default ugly one). I’m able to make Mint to start up at 700 MB of RAM. On my fast desktop I have Debian Testing with Gnome 47, that one starts at 1.5 GB of RAM. I’m thinking of using Mint there too.

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    I’m pretty biased since I have been using KDE for a few years and only switched to Gnome this week to properly try it out so maybe I’ll change my mind but I doubt I will.

    IMO KDE has better theming and is more uniform across a wider variety of apps. It has support for community themes out of the box and it feels like the components are modular so you can have a different colour title bar compared to the app window etc

    • Dolphin > Nautilus
    • Kate > Gedit
    • Konsole > Terminal

    These are the 3 main default apps I use on both DEs. Dolphin has way more customisability and looks better but Nautilus has a fantastic multi-file rename with the option for find and replace built in.

    For me, Kate is like the vlc of documents. It will open anything and everything whereas I’ve had a couple of “could not open” errors from gedit this week. I also prefer Kate to Vscode.

    Konsole by default switches tabs with ctrl tab but Terminal doesn’t and thats basically my only issue with it.

    Gnome seems to still require you to install a browser extension to use Shell Extensions.

    KDE widgets are fantastic, I love having system monitors in a hidden panel at the top of my screen so I can really easily check system resource usage. I haven’t found anything similar on Gnome yet.

    KDE Connect is such a brilliant app, it wouldn’t launch for me on Gnome but there is GSConnect for Gnome but its a 3rd party app

    By default on KDE, if you shake your mouse the cursor gets bigger and there doesn’t seem to be a size limit which is so fun to do lol

    Going from Plasma 5 to 6 was a nightmare for me but its probably because I was using EndeavourOS so the updates were sooner and more frequent.

    Overall I think Gnome looks and feels a bit outdated and clunky and KDE looks and feels more modern with better integration across apps but that might just be QT vs GTK

    I do plan on continuing to use Gnome for at least another 2 months to give it a fair try but I will almost always recommended KDE because I prefer the look and feel

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      Gnome seems to still require you to install a browser extension to use Shell Extensions.

      You can download the Extension Manager from Flathub. You don’t have to use a browser to install extensions at all.

      KDE widgets are fantastic, I love having system monitors in a hidden panel at the top of my screen so I can really easily check system resource usage. I haven’t found anything similar on Gnome yet.

      There are extensions for that in Gnome. I would mention “Vitals” or “Astra Monitor” if you want to go overkill.

      Konsole by default switches tabs with ctrl tab but Terminal doesn’t and thats basically my only issue with it.

      Default Gnome terminal is bad. Even Fedora which is a distro that ships almost every DE without any changes switched from the default Gnome terminal to Ptyxis. Ptyxis is probably still not enough for power users, but at least it has more settings including the ability edit keyboard shortcuts and looks better.

      By default on KDE, if you shake your mouse the cursor gets bigger and there doesn’t seem to be a size limit which is so fun to do lol

      There’s also an extension for that in Gnome although it probably does not have this funny “feature”.

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        Thank you! I’ve been hesitant to install a whole bunch of extensions but vitals and astra monitor look great, I’m going to try them out this week and see which I prefer.

        I’ve been avoiding flathub, it just doesn’t seem like my cup of tea but I may have to reconsider and take a proper look at it because it sounds better than a browser extension ngl

        I was just so surprised that a terminal that supports tabs doesn’t have generic tab switching, at least I know I’m not crazy now for not enjoying Gnome terminal lol

        I promise the giant cursor is a useful feature even though so many people have thought it was a weird bug lol I constantly do it when I’m trying to figure out how to word an email and on the very rare occasion where I can’t find my cursor it has actually been helful!

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    I love gnome’s design a lot and I want to use it so badly but for whatever reason it crashes on my PC if I game. Entire DE just closes and I’m back to the login screen. I thought it was just some weird Nvidia bug but same thing happenes on my AMD card.

    The issue is the vram will fill up from gaming and both cards I have only have 4GB of VRAM.

    However KDE doesn’t crash once the VRAM fills up. I don’t understand why or how the DE is affecting VRAM management but on KDE it’ll start using my ram and that’ll fill up a good bit. Game will slow down to a crawl but hey at least it doesn’t crash.