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      Accuse Hamas of being Isis (after supporting them financially for decades), then turn around and support actual ISIS to aid in their genocide. Warms my heart to see the most moral army in action.

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        Source on ISIS being behind the looting?

        Every source I’ve seen suggests it’s home grown Palestinian gangsters lead by Abu Shabab.

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            From the Haaretz article:

            A school in northern Gaza burned down on Monday, hours after humanitarian aid trucks had arrived to it, according to photos and accounts by locals. Residents of the area said Israeli soldiers had set the fire that consumed the school.

            A video seen on social media on Sunday, taken by an IDF soldier, showed two Israeli armored vehicles leaving the school surroundings as it was engulfed in flames

            Staff from the UN World Food Program, which sent the aid, as well as other international sources, said Gazans did not even have time to collect the aid. They said the military launched an attack in the area and soldiers had surrounded the building before the food was distributed.

            The convoy, consisting of two trucks and a water tanker, was the first to be approved by the military to enter northern Gaza after a month and a half of siege. The decision followed international pressure over the failure to deliver aid to Gazans.

            Witnesses said soldiers forced civilians away from the area, preventing them from collecting the aid, which was later destroyed by the fire. Reports also said civilians had been killed at the site. The soldiers involved belonged to the Rotem Battalion in the Givati Brigade, the reports said.

            Other footage was posted on Thursday showing fires at schools in northern Gaza. A video from the Jabalya refugee camp showed a soldier standing in the yard of a burning school. Another video showed a large blaze in the Salah al-Din School in Gaza City, which had been serving as a shelter for refugees.

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              Residents of the area said

              Hearsay is not evidence.

              leaving the school surroundings

              Being near something is not evidence of having done it.

              approved by the military to enter northern Gaza

              Why would the IDF attack a convoy they they themselves approved?

              Witnesses said

              Hearsay is not evidence.

              Reports also said

              Reports by who? With what evidence?

              Clearly objectivity and media literacy are at an all time low. What a shame.

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                  Idiots believe “media”, intelligent people believe concrete evidence, of which there is none to back up the original claim.

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          This latest aid convoy was also forced to abandon their planned departure time and route by the Israeli military and told to go early and on an unfamiliar route where they wound up getting attacked and hijacked. This was so obviously planned out by Israel.

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      “The UN says it’s the Jews fault that Palestinians are stealing from Palestinians!”

      Funny how Palestinians can apparently do no wrong. 🤣

      What began in the spring as a largely random phenomenon of desperate civilians stealing from trucks has now morphed into an organized criminal enterprise, aid groups say, and the gangs responsible have become increasingly violent and powerful — compounding the struggle to deliver food, hygiene items and cold-weather supplies to 2 million displaced and hungry people as winter approaches.

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        How do you read that 2 million people are being deliberately forcibly displayed, starved, and targeted; and respond with a laughing emoji. It’s not surprising that everybody in Gaza is desperate for food and aid when they’ve been starved and bombed nonstop for an entire year. How do you read that and laugh?

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          I’m laughing at the patently absurd and ridiculous conspiracy theory that the local Palestinian gangs lead by the Palestinian Abu Shabab are “backed by Israel”. A claim that has literally zero evidence or basis in fact behind it.

          This isn’t about me, other than the fact that this is about Palestinian thugs stealing the humanitarian aid that my taxes have helped pay for from other Palestinians.

          You might as well tell me that the Earth is flat and the aid trucks fell of the edge. It’s ridiculous coping bullshit that one can only assume was made up to try to remove all nuance from the discussion by blaming it on the Israelis.

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            I’m laughing at the patently absurd and ridiculous conspiracy theory that the local Palestinian gangs lead by the Palestinian Abu Shabab are “backed by Israel”. A claim that has literally zero evidence or basis in fact behind it.

            There is evidence

            An internal UN memo obtained by the Washington Post concluded in October that the gangs “may be benefiting from a passive if not active benevolence” or “protection” from the Israeli army.

            The memo said that one gang leader established a “military like compound” in an area “restricted, controlled and patrolled" by the Israeli army.

            With the collapse of civil order due to Israel’s targeting and killing of members of Gaza’s police force, few people are left to guard humanitarian aid convoys.

            Aid organisations say Israel has denied most of their requests for better measures to ensure the safety of convoys. As the occupying force, Israel is legally responsible for ensuring aid supplies to civilian populations

            Only 57 trucks a day were allowed to cross into Gaza in October, far lower than the 350 the US had requested, and the 600 a day aid agencies say are required to meet basic needs. Meanwhile, food prices have skyrocketed.

            Gaza police battle gang members accused of stealing humanitarian aid

            This isn’t about me, other than the fact that this is about Palestinian thugs stealing the humanitarian aid that my taxes have helped pay for from other Palestinians

            This entire famine created by Israel is deliberate and intentional. If you’re worried taxes, you should be focused on the magnitudes more, over 17 billion, going to the weapons being used to facilitate this genocide. All this chaos only goes to show how woefully inadequate the humanitarian aid has been and how much more is needed.

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              The memo said that one gang leader established a “military like compound” in an area “restricted, controlled and patrolled" by the Israeli army.

              A “UN memo” saying that the gangs “may be benefiting” from the Israeli army isn’t exactly conclusive evidence now is it?

              Gaza’s police force

              A.K.A. Hamas

              Meanwhile, food prices have skyrocketed.

              Because Palestinian gangsters have stolen all of the aid that Western countries have donated to them, while Hamas’ allies in Iran and Russia laugh their fucking asses off at us.

              This entire famine created by Israel is deliberate and intentional.

              Gaza is right on the Mediterranean Sea, where people have been thriving off fish and produce since prehistory. At some point you’re going to have to stop blaming Israel for all of Palestine’s problems and failings, especially since (as you rightfully pointed out) it is Palestinian gangsters who are stealing the aide, not Israelis.

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                Israel’s occupation and Blockade has been throttling the food available to Palestinians in Gaza to below what’s needed for decades. The full blockade and famine is simply an extension of a longstanding practice.

                “I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly”

                • Yoav Gallant, Minister of Defense

                One of the over 500 instances of Israeli incitement of genocide

                Israel also arbitrarily limits how far Palestinians can fish in the sea and shoot them on sight. Gaza fisherfolk can only ‘dream of fishing freely’ under Israel’s blockade

                De-development via the Gaza Occupation

                Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah.

                Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.’ In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah.

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                Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986.

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                In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60% over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50% decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (combined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.

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                • The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy

                Blockade, including Aid

                Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.

                After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.

                The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.