• Victor@lemmy.world
    221·
    11 days ago

    The only thing weird with this photo is putting a glass of wine anything on the floor next to kids playing games. That glass will either be spilled or broken.

  • BilboBargains@lemmy.world
    1·
    11 days ago

    Playing with children can be pretty exhausting. My daughter loved her Lego pirate ship set and had me narrating the lives of ten swashbuckling sailors on the high seas every day. I needed to be on top form or she would catch my day to day continuity errors 😅

  • asteriskeverything@lemmy.world
    284·
    12 days ago

    I’m only the fun adult when I’ve had alcohol As in fun enough to play a game with a child and pretend it is a good time.

    …And bitch like Republicans aren’t the class of alcohol abuse…

  • ThePyroPython@lemmy.world
    2056·
    12 days ago

    This is particularly American sensibility about not drinking alcohol casually around children. It’s very strange. In the UK and Europe, if a kid is having a birthday party at their house it’s completely normal for the adults to be having a casual beer or wine and socialising whilst the children play, obviously not drinking to get drunk and within the legal limits for the driver.

    • Resonosity@lemmy.world
      15·
      12 days ago

      Bro it’s perfectly normal for Americans to do this too…

      I swear, the Twitter snowflakes want to use the lamest of dunks to own the Libs. Then they fail to realize that they might do this themselves.

      Aww, who am I kidding. Twitter shills don’t engage in family functions, or have kids for that matter.

    • Yprum@lemmy.world
      4·
      12 days ago

      So many people trying to say it is normal in the US, but it is the US the one with the rule of having a paper bag to cover alcohol anywhere public. Sure at home it might also be more normal but that is already indicative of a certain point of view which I’m guessing is what OP was talking about.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        6·
        12 days ago

        but it is the US the one with the rule of having a paper bag to cover alcohol anywhere public.

        No it isn’t. This is a state-by-state thing. Many states don’t allow you to consume alcohol in public, period. Some don’t care (I think Louisiana is pretty lax regarding this if I recall?)

          • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
            3·
            12 days ago

            To make it even more complicated, counties, of which states are composed, can also set the terms of alcohol use in their jurisdiction. There’s “dry” counties all around the US where alcohol cannot be legally purchased.

            And then there are counties where public consumption is fine and prostitution is legal. So… idk. It’s a big country. Montana, just one of the states, is larger than Germany, and it’s only the 4th largest state. The largest state is over four times bigger than Montana.

    • BassTurd@lemmy.world
      7·
      12 days ago

      As an American, I don’t know that I really see this too much. For Halloween, it’s not uncommon for some houses to give those little shooters to parents. Obviously it’s not good to get sloshed at a kid’s birthday party, but I don’t think too many people put too much weight on a drink or too. Either that, or I don’t put much weight on it, because I’ll have a social beer at noon on a weekday if it feels right.

    • riodoro1@lemmy.world
      231·
      12 days ago

      They need to protect the children from alcohol and trans people because then they get shot at in schools.

    • frickineh@lemmy.world
      18·
      12 days ago

      Nah, my Catholic extended family always had a jug of Carlo Rossi (garbage wine sold in gallon jugs, for those lucky enough to be unfamiliar) at every family gathering. No one was ever worried about there being kids. Evangelicals are just lame.

    • PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world
      7·
      12 days ago

      I was born and raised in the states and I’ve never experienced this. There’s usually beer or wine for the adults who want it at every gathering. The one exception is maybe baptisms but only because the reception is usually in the church hall. Maybe it’s a southern thing? I’ve never been to the south and they do have some weirdly puritan social beliefs.

    • Jesus@lemmy.world
      8·
      12 days ago

      Unwinding after a shit week with a bottle of beer or glass of wine in the evening, with the extended family over for a meal, while kids play games. Tens of millions of Americans are doing this right now.

      I don’t want to live in the America where that isn’t normal. That shit is wholesome.

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
        6·
        12 days ago

        I don’t want to live in the America where that isn’t normal.

        Bad news! Vice squads are coming, no more fun for you!

    • RBWells@lemmy.world
      2·
      12 days ago

      That is the way we had birthday parties too, and they are the best. Invite the whole family not just the kid. Nobody HAS to drink, and I didn’t because hosting, but it’s more hospitable to have adult beverages available. Often a “fancy drinks” area for the kids too, with colorful non alcoholic drinks and garnishes for them to create their own drinks.

      So, so much better than a house full of kids all the same age. Kids running around in packs, adults chilling.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
      4·
      12 days ago

      I’m American, but Jewish. Wine is part of sabbath dinners. Especially during religious holidays. I was drinking wine at Passover seders when I was 8 or 9.

      Amazingly, am not an alcoholic at 47. I do enjoy a small glass of port in the evening though.

    • alliswell33 @lemmy.sdf.org
      16·
      12 days ago

      Also Mexicans drink around their kids during social events all the time. It’s a joke in my family that the only reason adults put on parties for their kids is so they can drink with their friends.

    • MissJinx@lemmy.world
      4·
      12 days ago

      My brother and others in the family will 100% get drunk around the kids. Nobody is giving kids alcohol nor drunk driving (we have family parties at the family vineyard usually so nobody is driving away)

      • lunarul@lemmy.world
        2·
        12 days ago

        Nobody is giving kids alcohol

        When I was a kid I always asked for a taste when my parents had a drink with the meal. It was just a sip and I never liked it and it burned (it was usually a hard spirit), but I still asked every time.

        When my wife was 5 she was being sent to the still to do a taste check and see if the brandy is strong enough yet.

        • MissJinx@lemmy.world
          1·
          12 days ago

          exactly. That’s how I came.to hate beer! hahah Also wine is grape! that’s just nature. We don’t want drunk kids (can you imagine the caos?!) so we don’t let them drink but they have tasted and didn’t like it

      • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
        4·
        12 days ago

        My wife’s family will 100% get drunk around their kids, and drunk drive with the kids in the car. Seeing that first hand makes us really reluctant to drink at all.

    • Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca
      3·
      12 days ago

      Was always normal in my family. Smoking and drinking indoors all day. Used to come home smelling like shit. But there were alcoholics. Good people, though.

    • Anivia@feddit.org
      2·
      12 days ago

      I come from Germany and drinking around children is normal here, and it’s legal for children to start drinking at 14 years old.

      However, just because it’s considered normal doesn’t mean it’s a good thing, alcohol gets played down way too much in our society, it’s one of the most dangerous and addictive drugs on the planet

    • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
      431·
      12 days ago

      Hiding it from kids obviously will prevent them from ever using it or being curious!

      God forbid we have open and honest conversations with kids so they learn how to use things responsibly.

      • Saleh@feddit.org
        921·
        12 days ago

        Given that alcohol is a hard drug with severe social and personal consequences when abused i find that sentiment a bit shortsighted. We rightfully don’t accept casual consumption of cocaine or heroin around children. We shouldn’t set the model that alcohol is just a casual thing to consume on any given afternoon.

        Me and many friends as teenagers wen we got shitfaced in unhealthy and dangerous ways just laughed at our parents critizising us, because of how normalized their consumption was.

        So between responsible consumption and casual consumption is a huge difference. Especially when there is small kids around, who might end up just drinking from the jar right in their reach.

            • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
              51·
              12 days ago

              Your own Wikipedia link puts alcohol dramatically lower than cocaine and heroin in terms of dependence and harm. Were you raised by alcoholics or something? If so, sorry, that sucks.

              • Saleh@feddit.org
                23·
                11 days ago

                Social harm is much higher with alcohol. There used to be a graph plotting both social and physical harm, but it got replaced with the one you criticise, effectively stating the same thing. Alcohol in its effects for both the individual and society is a hard drug, like coke, heroin or meth.

                But the way you get defensive makes me wonder why aconowledging alcohol to be a serious drug with huge damage both to individuals and society is so difficult.

            • arglebargle@lemm.eeEnglish
              3·
              12 days ago

              “its just one glass of wine” can be equally said with “its just a small bump of coke” or “its just half an oxy”

              No, not really. Each person is different, set and setting are different, circumstances can be different.

              In any case that silly graph you posted was made by:

              “opinions and judgment of 15 researchers, doctors, and a journalist. These opinions were exchanged and discussed during a 1-day workshop” … “given that it has no input other than the experience and knowledge of the participants involved, it is unlikely to be unbiased”

              Although to be fair, the group that made that study now is advocating ways to get medical cannabis and psychedelics to people, which is more or less in line with the graph I suppose.

        • Ledivin@lemmy.world
          5·
          12 days ago

          We rightfully don’t accept casual consumption of cocaine or heroin around children.

          Disingenuous bullshit - there is no such thing as “casual consumption of heroin.” You can’t use heroin without getting high, but you can absolutely drink alcohol without getting drunk.

          • Saleh@feddit.org
            14·
            12 days ago

            Yeah, not drunk, just a little tipsy, its just to take the edge off, just to relax a bit…

        • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
          15·
          12 days ago

          So hiding it and not telling kids about it is a solution, which makes them curious, and then go eat overboard. Which is what I did.

          What is much better is what Europeans do, where they have a much healthier view of alcohol, grow up around it, know what it is and does, and don’t have nearly the unhealthy binging Americans do. On top of that they also aren’t having an opioid crisis.

          • Saleh@feddit.org
            215·
            12 days ago

            So did you also do other hard drugs because they were hidden from you? Heroin, Coke, Crack, Meth?

            The opiod crisis has an entirely different basis to them, as tons of Americans were made addicted by reckless prescriptions first.

            And again, seeing my and other parents drink regularly did not stop us from being reckless around alcohol. Instead what it does makes clear signs of alcoholism not be taken as warning. “Dad had two beers every day, whats the harm in three?”

            There is things the US does badly, like not allowing alcohol until 21 and then giving access to vodka and beer alike, where many European countries have different ages for booze and lower strength alcohol. But the idea that people in Europe are more responsible around alcohol doesn’t hold to reality. The US had about 120k alcohol related deaths per year, which jumped to 180k with the pandemic. Germany is at a stable 60-70k a year. But Germany has less than one fourth of the US population.

            • WoahWoah@lemmy.world
              3·
              12 days ago

              What are you even talking about? The per capita death rates differ from what you’re posting (making up?) here. ​According to data from the World Health Organization (WHO), the death rate from alcohol use disorders in Germany is 9.2 per 100,000 population, whereas in the United States, it is 14.3 per 100,000 population.​​ That’s a substantial difference. Are you a recovering alcoholic or lose someone to alcohol or something? It’s fine that you are against alcohol, but you’re making false comparisons and citing false data to do so.

              • Saleh@feddit.org
                112·
                12 days ago

                Alcohol is a hard drug. The opiod crisis not being such a thing in Europe is a result of opiods not being downplayed and casualized like in the US, so the reason why the US has an opiod crisis and we have such an alcohol problem are similar. But you drew a line from casual alcohol abuse to somehow work against opiod problems. But more alcohol abuse doesnt lead to less opiod abuse or the other way round.

    • Bakkoda@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      100·
      12 days ago

      Honestly it’s just pearl clutching. The same people are probably sneaking wine at their 8 year olds little league game in the bubba 64 oz trucker travel tankard.

      • takeda@lemmy.world
        31·
        12 days ago

        From people close the me, the ones that are MAGA/religious all were actually the most depraved ones when they were younger.

        I don’t know if they think of they have to make it up for those years to still be able to get to heaven or something.

    • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
      10·
      12 days ago

      This is a generalization. Lots of American families of all backgrounds can have alcohol during family meals and social time.

      People have drinks at birthday parties. At dinners. All of the above.

    • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
      8·
      12 days ago

      This is particularly American sensibility about not drinking alcohol casually around children

      Shockingly this will vary by family. Some families take their kids bar hopping while they drink to excess, some drink casually and not in excess, and some are sober around their kids, and some remain sober all the time. My wife grew up hanging out in bars with her parents biker friends and their kids. She learned to watch some of them and save the good homemade wine when someone was about to topple. I grew up with parents who would have a single drink with dinner one to two times a week and would avoid getting drunk (at least that I know of).

      Personally, as a parent and living in an area with a strong alcohol culture and with alcoholic family members, I drink very rarely (the alcoholic family members really kill my desire to drink), and when I do I make sure we have more than enough adults available to parent and drive if needed. I also am very much a lightweight so there is no drinking without getting noticeably giggly and sloppy. My wife feels and acts similarly but is not a lightweight and can realistically drink one drink and be visibly unaffected.

      I honestly think the OP is less about the presence of alcohol around children but more just calling out a wine mom as such

    • ZeroCool@slrpnk.netEnglish
      25·
      12 days ago

      It’s strange here in the US too. I don’t know anyone that has a problem with that. That kind of puritanical attitude about drinking is not the prevailing sentiment here. Sure, my friends and I aren’t getting plastered at BBQ’s like we did in college, but it’s not like we aren’t having some beers at a cookout just because half of us have kids now. It’s just a vocal religious minority making a lot of noise. Don’t get me wrong, this country does have a different, more uptight, relationship with alcohol than Europe, but it’s not nearly as extreme as it may appear online and in media.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        52·
        12 days ago

        It does happen though. My wife’s grandmother was an alcohol abolitionist. We’re not talking the 1800s here, I’m not that old. She died in the 2000s. But she was super religious and was part of a temperance movement.

        Anyway, once she died, the beer and wine started coming out at family gatherings and they have not turned into raucous affairs. The kids at the gatherings seem to be doing fine.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        11·
        12 days ago

        This is a very large country, and the culture (alcohol in particular) varies wildly by location.

  • ZeffSyde@lemmy.world
    14·
    12 days ago

    The outrage should clearly be THAT SHE ISN’T USING A COASTER IT A TRAY AND THAT CHILD COULD EASILY KNOCK OVER THE WINE

  • Carighan Maconar@lemmy.world
    4·
    11 days ago

    Wine is acceptable, but only after you punched them, disavowed their identity, intentionally withheld education from them, made them carry their teenage pregnancy to term and ruined the planet for them. Then you can have wine. Be more republican!

  • EssentialNPC@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    12 days ago

    Yeah, this is wildly inappropriate. When I play board games with my kids, I find Old Fashioneds are the ideal way to deliver that numbing hit of booze. Wine requires too much fluid volume per unit alcohol, and the red varietals can stain your games.

  • AA5B@lemmy.world
    1681·
    12 days ago

    Who leaves their wine glass on the floor next to excited kids? You’re almost guaranteed to be wiping up that puddle in ten minutes