“We are raising funds to support a critical legal defense in the fight against unchecked corporate power and a system that continues to favor the few over everyone else. This case isn’t just about one individual—it’s about challenging a status quo that protects the interest of the powerful at the expense of justice and fairness,” read one of the fundraising pages that was quickly removed by GoFundMe.

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    This guy doesn’t need a GoFundMe.

    He could start an Only Fans where he talked about his ideas with his shirt off and he’d be set for life, or at least until Nintendo sued him off the Internet.

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    One might also want to consider the possibility that this is not the shooter or he is a patsy. Not that you shouldn’t support them in any of these cases. Just be aware as this [word like shitshow but that doesn’t do it justice] develops.

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      This. The guy in the thumbnail is now the face of anti establishment and the subject of desire by thousands, regardless of whether he did it or not. It’s a different guy.

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        Pretty sure this one crosses ideological boundaries and has support with standard MAGAts as well.

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    This seems hypocritical to me, but also I would caution against anyone supporting a GoFundMe or any crowdfunding with a high profile persons name on it because I wouldn’t trust the organizer to just take the money and run.

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    A community effort to send in handwritten checks is probably the safer bet. If his public defender is worth anything (unlikely), they’ll try to use the public support to hire a stronger legal defense team.

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    This situation has me pondering 2 hypotheticals.

    1. How long until people start posting the names of individuals perceived as traitors (eg the McSnitch, the journalists shilling for Thomson, the politicians leading the charge against Mangione, etc)?

    2. Can he realistically be tried at all? A broad cross section of people are really supportive of Mangione. We’re in such a weird timeline that I could potentially imagine groups like Black Block and Proud Boys standing side-by-side on this one.

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    Absolutely a double standard but an easy to imagine one. I was just thinking how the right used GoFundMe for that racist prick Rittenhouse (among others).

    Can we just have our class warfare already? It’s ok to kill black folks not heaven forbid you actually eat the rich.

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      What’s most ironic to me is that gofundme is often used by those who have been denied insurance coverage to get help to pay for medical treatment. I guess at this point they’re just dipping into the “please support the salt party, as slugs for salt, that’s where we want our money to go.”

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      Don’t eat the rich, that’s inefficient (and unappetizing, as the vast majority are a majority of plastic, etc.) Use them as fertilizer and feed the world. 🤌🏼 Get that polymer-eating mycelium, and we’re really cookin’ without a fossil-fueled doom, eh?

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          Don’t eat the rich, they’re full of parasites

          Though, that’s needlessly unkind to parasites in general. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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                Well if it’s Durban Poison or some derivative hybrid then you may be drawn to what TO pay attention to but your use seems to attribute the sort of Indica being in play which basically just deteriorates any you may have left right off the bat.

                You’re of intuitive understanding and being stoned doesn’t attribute to one’s ability in such. Not that you aren’t rather that you are so well knowledge of the matter that even if such were, you can, as you seem to have called, are so well knowing that even that is unable to tear from the wells of your immediate comprehension .

                It was quite the attempt to complement in a sense of despite your own claim.

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    The consistent creation of fundraising pages of Mangione follows the macabre reaction much of the public has had to the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

    More like the perfectly reasonable reaction.

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      They either can’t see what’s going on, or they can’t admit it in case it encourages solidarity among the poors.

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        I mean, the vast majority of poor and uneducated voted for Privatized Healthcare, so that’s not really true. Plus, Luigi wasn’t exactly poor, he worked in the tech industry.

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          A friend of mine had a very well paying job in tech. Then she had a major injury. Without money paid by her well off parents she would have died. Insurance was stingy as hell.

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              Ok, so now instead of ‘eat the rich’ we’re going ‘eat everyone except for the absolute poor’, right?

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                I’m just saying the image most people have of Luigi Mangione is pure fiction.

                The rich should always have been afraid, but that is besides the point that the best possible outcome for all of us is to become real political activists and help elect people who will bring about real change without encouraging violence in the streets. Or at the very least have some way to organize to the point of actually agreeing on which targets are greenlit, but that’s basically impossible. Just yesterday I saw some kid talk about offing the Funko Pop CEO for taking down Itch Io, another dude advocating arson on a McDonalds in the mall.

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                  With this best outcome I agree, it would be nice if there were less violence, not more.

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          I was working in tech when I became disabled. I wasn’t rich and I would have become homeless if I didn’t have a partner’s income to fall back on.

          Tech isn’t some magical gold mine.

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            He had a masters in Computer Science from University of Pennsylvania (Ivy League, founded before the USA), graduated a private high school as valedictorian, and prosecutors are claiming he was carrying $10,000 in cash when he was arrested.

            Tech was a magical gold mine to this kid, but rich parents didn’t hurt either.

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              I thought it was Engineering, not CompSci? (Not that it really changes anything about the point)

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              You don’t know that. His grandfather was wealthy. He’s one of, IIRC, 37 grandchildren. That doesn’t mean he is wealthy. Yes, much more privileged than most of us, but that doesn’t mean he was rolling in cash. Even if he was, so what? He was still fighting against an unjust system.

              And he disputed in court that that cash was his–notably, while not disputing that the gun was his. I’ll trust an average person over a cop trying to get a big win any day. They plant plenty of false evidence.

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                $10,000 would be a weird thing to plant, nobody would have questioned Cocaine. That’s more money than most people his age have ever had in savings total.

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                  It’s not that weird if you think about it. They could be trying to portray him as a flight risk since he also had his passport.

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          Working in the tech industry isn’t enough money to be immune from worries health care costs. A bad injury or illness can rack up hundreds of thousands or even millions in bills.

          A kid who’s been out of school for a few years could maybe have made a few hundred thousand. There are rare unicorns that might get totally insane compensation right out of school but I doubt there are many 26 year olds getting 1 million+ total compensation in tech.

          Anyway, making a few hundred thousand a year isn’t poor but when you’re looking at healthcare, political influence or the legal system, that money most certainly isn’t rich.

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          The danger is that those less well-off people who are currently supporting privatized healthcare will see actions like this, hear the conversations around it, and figure out what the real issue is, unless the media obfuscates it with spin.

          And this guy may have been fairly well off (his family apparently are wealthy). But he doesn’t have to be poor to get people thinking and talking.

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    Lemmy: “EAT THE RICH!”

    Also Lemmy: “I DEMAND THE RIGHT TO DONATE MONEY TO THE RICH!”

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp9nxee2r0do

    "He attended a private, all-boys high school in Baltimore, called the Gilman School, according to school officials. Mr Mangione was named as the valedictorian, which is usually the student with the highest academic achievements in a class.

    He comes from a prominent family in the Baltimore area whose businesses include a country club and nursing homes, according to local media.

    He is reportedly the cousin of Republican state lawmaker Nino Mangione."

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      His upbringing doesn’t necessarily mean anything with regard to current state. My grandparents were rich and I was homeless. They put my dad and his siblings through uni (though have since disowned one), but I have student loans. Maybe he is still close and has access to all that money, but this feels a bit jump-to-conclusion-y

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      ‘Eat the rich’ because as a class they take everything and give nothing. Cancer. They sow an unfathomable amount of death and suffering in the name of greed.

      An individual from a rich family who just gave up his freedom to slay a healthcare equivalent of a tyrant? Yeah that’s not the person ‘eat the rich’ is talking about.

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        100%. systemic problems != personal problems. It is just bigotry to assume that because somebody was born with or without money that they fit some cookie cutter definition of a rich person or a poor person. Demonize the system, not the people. People can only be praised/blamed for their individual actions.

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      Keep in mind, everyone, jordanlund is the same guy who said he didn’t like BLM because they sometimes inconvenienced him.

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            Oh, so you think it’s totally OK to ignore when black people are murdered by people other than white cops? Good to know.

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          “bUt WhAt AbOuT bLaCk On BlAcK cRiME?”

          I mean, last time you said it was because they inconvenienced you on the way to work, but I guess that wasn’t racist enough this time?

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            That was one time, this is speaking in general.

            BLM don’t actually care about black lives. They care about the attention.

            Talking about a little girl who got killed in a gang shooting won’t drive the clicks, views, and donations.

            Did you read either of the links I posted? Here’s the stat you will NEVER hear from BLM:

            1 in 40,000 white deaths is a homicide. It’s 1 in 5,000 black deaths.

            Why am I the one having to tell you this? Why isn’t BLM shouting it from the rooftops?

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              It’s because…

              Police kill Black people at disproportionate rates

              Though nationwide statistics are less readily available, multiple studies have found that police kill Black people at disproportionate rates.

              A study in the American Journal of Preventative Medicine in 2016 examined all 812 fatalities that resulted from use of lethal force by on-duty law enforcement from 2009-2012 in 17 states. The study used National Violent Death Reporting System data.

              The majority of victims were white people, at 52%, but “black victims were over-represented (32.4%) relative to the U.S. population.” The fatality rate was 2.8 times higher among Black victims than white victims.

              Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/29/fact-check-meme-shows-incorrect-homicide-stats-race/5739522002/

              So yes, police violence against PoC in the US is overrepresented by almost 3x the rate of white victims. It’s a major issue. Black on black crime is also a major issue but that is also correlated with poverty in general. So they aren’t the same issue at all, and BLM are free to advocate for whatever specific issues they want to focus on, because they can’t possibly have the resources to take action on every form of hateful discrimination that PoC face on a daily basis (like poor access to healthcare and worse treatment than white patients when they do get medical care, to name another couple of examples).

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              …because the BLM movement is specifically about police brutality against PoC…

              Environmentalists and Activist Vegans have significant overlap but that doesn’t mean each group supports 100% the same things. They focus their attention on what they are activists for.

              An environmentalist can chain themselves to a tree or protest a pipeline while still using animal products.

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      was named as the valedictorian, which is usually the student with the highest academic achievements in a class.

      “This guy was the smartest person in school, get him!”

      Fuck off.

      Edit: Alternatively, “Robin Hood was the best marksmen, get him!”

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        Robin Hood was also Robin of Loxley, originally a nobleman. It is entirely possible, however unlikely, for people born into money/status to turn out decent.

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    “We are raising funds to support a critical legal defense in the fight against unchecked corporate power and a system that continues to favor the few over everyone else. This case isn’t just about one individual—it’s about challenging a status quo that protects the interest of the powerful at the expense of justice and fairness,” read one of the fundraising pages that was quickly removed by GoFundMe.

    If GoFundMe picks and chooses who gets to abide by their terms and who doesn’t, can people challenge them in court? TOS includes: Users agree they will not use the platform for, among other things “the legal defense of financial and violent crimes, including those related to money laundering, murder, robbery, assault, battery, sex crimes, or crimes against minors.” Why is this different for Luigi than Trump? How can one be denied and the other given a pass, legally?

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      How can one be denied and the other given a pass,

      Unfortunately I think the honest answer is something like “fuck off, pleb”

      legally?

      Oh sorry, I missed that last word there. In that case I think the answer is something like “fuck off, counselor”

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    Somebody should create a page for Green Mario. might fly under the radar until some snitch squeals.

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    …But it’s okay for people to run many, many GoFundMe pages that support Trump’s legal affairs. Got it.’

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    During the Great Depression, people were so angry at banks that they rooted for bank robbers. Things are so bad now that we’re just straight up rooting for cold-blooded executions. Censoring people’s online activities won’t make this anger go away. The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.

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      Reddit just banned me for saying I support Luigi in his monster slaying quest and hope there’s more heroes out there.

      Say, what’s the Lemmy policy on being real? I don’t really care. I’ll say it in person as well as any online platform, and if I’m banned from them all then I’ll just read books and shit.

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        Pretty sure it’s a by-server or by-community basis, but I’ve seen nothing but support for him on here

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        It depends on the instance. I just left Lemmy.World because of their euro- centric pro-censorship stance of educating people on the existence and explanation of jury nullification.

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          That’s what I’m on since I’m not really too well read on Lemmy yet and it was the most popular. Any suggestions for a good instance that can be readily joined where we have some semblance of freedom of speech? I mean, I’m far from a terribly hateful person but I’m not going to pretend I’m upset when a bad person dies, and I also like discussing internet piracy and such. I just wish for Reddit circa 2008. Heh.

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            IMO – you can’t go wrong picking something obscure, or something you just llthink sounds cool, or anything for whatever reason. If it doesn’t work out, switching isn’t a big deal, unless you plan on cultivating a following. I’m ok with nuking my profiles and starting fresh. I chose my instance because I thought the name sounded cool. I haven’t been disappointed. I still regularly hear from a bunch of instances .world, .ml, dbzero, or whatever.

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            I‘m a piracy fan and I‘m on dbzer0 instance as it‘s an offshoot of r/piracy. I barely post and lurk more, so I don‘t really know how they‘d moderate on the Luigi situation. The owner seems to be an anarchist and historically anarchist action wasn‘t all peaceful, most anarchists seem to support a “diversity of tactics” one of which is violence. Which makes sense to me, it’s like self defense cause what Americans are dealing with here is structural violence and what looks like zero hope for change.

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              Violence is very unfortunately the only way the world ever changes substantially. We deify our own nations’ founders as legendary revolutionaries when they used violence as their primary tool. We understand why the French had their revolution. We root for the anti-heroes in films. But then I’m supposed to be silent when I see somebody finally taking action in a meaningful way against some greedy sociopathic pig? I’m supposed to be okay with platforms silencing me and telling me I’m wrong for thinking this way after decades of being beaten down by these types?

              Well, I’m not upset that CEO is dead. I like it. I hope somebody guns down another every week. Gives me a rock hard justice boner. And if speaking like this gets me banned from online social media then maybe it’s for the best. Spend way too much time on it anyways. Haha.

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          Telling people that jury nullification exists isn’t a problem, I’ve done that ad nauseam on .world. The problem is connecting it to calls for violence, as a way of encouraging people to cross that line.

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          Attention all Luigi supporters!

          Lemmy.world’s policy is to remove comments and posts that advocate for violence. And imprisonment is a violent act. If you see a post on lemmy.world advocating for Luigi’s imprisonment, report it and leave a comment explaining how it advocates for violence.

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          Is it? I am indeed happy that CEO died. He deserved it. Fuck him.

          Is Lemmy basically just Reddit Junior then? No real improvements to freedom of speech? More moderators being over zealous and deleting posts and banning people left and right and controlling the narrative? I don’t really know what this place is all about I guess. I’m not like super hateful or anything but I’m not going to pretend I’m on the side of monsters who ruin the world for profit. I fit in beautifully on Reddit circa 2008.

          Looks like TikTok is the only place you can actually be a real mother fucker and my country is shutting that down soon. What a bummer.

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            I have genuinely started to dislike the internet as a whole in the last couple of years, where everyone is trying to be "familiar-friendly " and “corporate-friendly” like wtf? Even I’ve got enough shadow bans on me(especially on the ones by google) that I’ve almost got a strange gut reaction when using a swear word, to stop and consider if it’s going to get me banned. But atleast I’d be able to say what I want. Even then, I’m just so much more happy that I can type out long-ass 10 page rants and it would not be considered a spam, just because of being long on reddit and eternity. Also, fuck lemmy world mods for censorship.

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            Lemmy is just the software that runs on various instances (servers) that all talk together.

            I like to think Lemmy is the multiverse version of Reddit. Don’t like your instance and admins? Join a new instance.

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              Thank you. I was told by another user to try an anarchist instance. It’s not like I’m some hate-monger or even at all abrasive. I’d just like to see the kind of freedom we had on Reddit in 2008 where the community is allowed to moderate itself outside of some obvious exceptions. We didn’t know how good we had it then. Peak days of online discussion.

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              Yup, here’s hoping. With a little luck, some would-be mass shooters will also hopefully reconsider their objectives after seeing how much love Luigi is getting and at least go out doing something positive for society instead of shooting innocent people. School shootings are so 1998 and real virgin behavior.

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                  Yes, I 100% know why I was banned by a corporate website that abandoned the policy of free speech they were founded on years ago. I don’t care. I’m done playing nice and thinking and saying what I’m “supposed to.” Fuck these people and all who lick their boots.

                  My question is what is Lemmy about? Can I say I’m glad that CEO got shot and I hope it becomes a new positive trend in the world here? Cause that’s my honest take, and it’s been so refreshing to see that it’s the predominant take among friends, family, and coworkers in the real world as well. We think Luigi is just great.

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      Like that’s ever gonna happen. There are and will always be boot lickers that’ll do anything for money.

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        More like how FDR used the banks’ need for government assistance to force regulation on them through the 1933 Banking Act and the Glass-Steagall Act.

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            Yes. A decade after it was repealed, we had the largest financial collapse since it was enacted, and now we’re dealing with higher income inequality than we had during the Gilded Age. What part of this is meant to invalidate my point?

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              I’m refuting the idea that fanservice leads to lasting institutional change.

              The fact that we’re in the shitter because the change didn’t stick kinda proves my point.

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                Well, A) the point isn’t that, “fan service,” created this change. It’s that people’s willingness to side with outlaws over institutions is a good barometer of public anger, and based on the United Healthcare killing, people are fucking pissed. B) FDR passed banking reform and social welfare programs that created decades of economic stability and only lost their efficacy after half a century of conservative attacks chipped away at them. I’m not sure why you think a historical example of the sort of fundamental, radical change in talking about doesn’t count just because the Baby Boomers fucked it all up.

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            Yes, proof that reforming capitalism is wasted effort. You can only delay end stage capitalism reforms, not prevent it.

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          Nah they deserve to live, as a treaf. Plus I want to see what happens to person when you pour lemon juice into their open chest cavity while theyre awake.

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        “In fear” are the key words here.

        If I stole hundreds of dollars from people in my town and my name was public information, I’d be scared shitless.

        Billionaires steal millions and not just in dollars. The way I see it, Luigi took out a serial killer, not a businessman.

        I would like to remind everyone that while I do wish the worst for billionaires, I do not legally condone violence of any kind. I will however smile if I hear about bad things happening to bad people.

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      if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.

      OR…they raise premiums to pay for more security.

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        I mean, I’m sure they will, but I doubt it will make a difference. Trump almost got it twice this summer. He’s only alive because he was incredibly lucky the first time, and the second time, the shooter was incompetent. Meanwhile, in the last 25 years, schools have added metal detectors, more police, active shooter drills, and bullet-proof walls, but it’s only amounted to security theater. I’m sure there will never be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a 5-day manhunt, but there are too many guns in America to prevent a guy with a death wish from gunning down a CEO or billionaire.

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      The genies out of the bottle now, and if billionaires don’t want any more dead CEOs, there will need to be fundamental, radical changes to our society.

      I don’t expect radical changes. I expect them to make the minimal concessions they believe to be enough to make people just happy enough to not depose more CEOs

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        I actually don’t expect CEOs and billionaires to make any concessions. Honestly, this is how I imagine the next few years going:

        Right now, billionaires are waking up to the fact that the majority of Americans want them dead. CEOs will start beefing up security while politicians and pundits try to spin this, and they’ll all hope this was a one-off. It won’t be. Sure, there probably won’t be another assassin who escapes and leads police on a five day manhunt, but there will surely be a guy with an AR-15 who takes out billionaire or CEO before getting gunned down himself by cops or private security.

        Billionaires will start lobbying for protections from Congress, probably through special treatment from federal law enforcement and a push for gun control. This will only further enrage the public, who have faced mass shootings in schools and churches without any response. On top of that, the Trump administration is gearing up for an era of naked corruption, which is going to make the billionaire class even less popular

        All in all, I think we’re heading towards a period of political instability and violence. Maybe it will end with public rage being channeled into a series of reforms like FDR managed with the New Deal. Maybe we’ll devolve even further into oligarchy and authoritarianism as American society collapses. Either way, I think there will be radical change.

        Anyway, that’s my theory. Maybe I’m wrong, and this will be a blip, but I don’t think so. This feels like a very different, very significant moment.

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        That’d still be helpful, last time they gave us “Just enough to put down the pitchforks.”

        That was the “New Deal”

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      After he is arraigned (first appearance before a judge) AND assuming bail is set in an amount he cannot pay AND that he is held in Rikers (HUGE safety concerns) you can look him up here and then send money for commissary and sometimes pay bail.

      https://a073-ils-web.nyc.gov/inmatelookup/pages/home/home.jsf

      I believe you must provide personally identifying information to send money/pay. There is no guarantee that the City won’t try to find a way to seize money sent.

      Edit: typo

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          Why would they want to off this kid.

          We all know why he did this, it isn’t a secret that insurance companies are paying evil. If anything killing him now will rally more people to his cause.

          They will just re-write history as they did with Guy Fawkes and have us singing songs as though he was a bad guy and not someone who wanted to rock the establishment.

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            Why would they want to off this kid.

            So that he can’t be tried and found non-guilty. So that he wouldn’t spread dangerous ideas. So that he pays for his transgressions.

            I don’t know what could be their reasoning, but I would expect them wanting to off him behind the scenes rather than await for the trial results.

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        Aaaand book marked. If there is no justice then at least he will never go a day without his favorite ramen.