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- news@lemmy.world
The administration claimed that blocking arms transfers would embolden Hamas — ignoring Israel’s genocidal slaughter.
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What is the argument here?
We cant stop giving weapons of mass destruction to this genocidal terrorist government, because otherwise this much smaller terrorist group may commit slightly bigger but still comparably very small acts of terror?
They try to make a point that its pressure so hamas releases hostages ignoring the fact that this war itself is embolstering support for hamas as freedom fighters against the tyrannical israel. They want the US to give weapons to Israel because it helps their propaganda.
What hostages? I always just figured this was a no hostage return we never stop full well knowing there’s no longer hostages to return.
What hostages? Does anyone really think there are any left alive and not either killed by Israeli bombs, starvation or straight up knifed by hamas out of anger/frustration/convenience?
I mean I’m inclined to believe so, given both hamas and Israel claim it’s the case
Hamas are incentivised to not kill them arbitrarily (or put them at risk of being killed in Israeli strikes) because it’s their primary bargaining chip, and Israel are incentivised to avoid targeting them for political reasons
Yeah but you’ll notice the first two methods of hostage death I mentioned would not require Israel to have targeted them, but would be natural outcomes for how they are conducting their military actions.
Yep. “Oopsie, our operations `inadvertently’ created some more martyrs for the cause. well, time to keep bombing more babies”
Yeah dude really not looking forward to the next round of Isis or whatever in 10 years when these kids grow up and get pissed off about not having any family members left. And everyone conveniently forgets that they we’re raised by the IOF and are not just bad hombres or whatever
Sure, but you’ll notice I explicitly referenced that when I said hamas is incentivised to minimise risk of them being hit by Israeli strikes, especially by keeping them separately in members’ homes and in tunnels. The same goes for starvation, in that, if at all possible, hamas actively wants to keep them fed enough to survive, where that isn’t at the cost of starving to death themselves.
You’re right that some/many (maybe even most, I have no data wrt specific numbers) of the hostages have, and will continue to die due to Israel’s actions, but that’s significantly different from your initial claim of “every single hostage is dead”
Biden’s behaviour is inexcusable here.
But if he does not do this he won’t get re-elected. Don’t you understand? It’s all because he has to appeal to voters. Definitely not the millions of AIPAC dollars he received.
I agree that Biden’s unquestionable support of Israel is a huge problem, but he’s legit not doing it for the donations.
He got so much more than any other US politicians, because Israel used to know that no amount of bribes could ever buy that level of loyalty.
Bibi never got that memo tho, he just knew he could treat Biden like shit and still get everything he wants.
The real reason Biden has this level of support for Israel is even stupider, because Biden is older than Israel.
He’s told the story multiple times over the decades, when he was a toddler and Israel was created, his dad told him to promise to always protect Israel because they were victims.
And it’s fucking insane that over 70 years later that’s what’s been guiding US foreign policy for four years and why we keep arming a genocidal religious ethnostate even though it was a huge contributed to trump regaining office.
But that’s why Biden will always give Israel everything they want, a promise a toddler made to his dad almost a century ago.
Where did you hear this story about Biden making a promise to protect Israel?
Biden has partly credited his pro-Israel world view to his father, who insisted following World War Two and the Nazi Holocaust there was no doubt of the justness of establishing Israel as a Jewish homeland in 1948.
Sorry it took so long.
To find that I had to go thru all the trouble of searching “Biden dad Israel” on Duck Duck go. And then had to even click on the top result.
I can understand why that answer would have evaded someone.
But that’s not exactly what I said is it, and it’s not his own words…
So I went the extra mile for you man, I clicked the second link too
Except the problem with Bidens own words, these days they trail off.
PRESIDENT BIDEN: Well, I hope my father heard that. He’d be — my father was what we call a righteous Christian. He couldn’t understand why we didn’t move more rapidly back in World War II (inaudible). Any rate. I —
PRESIDENT HERZOG: I think that was a great legacy with — of your father.
PRESIDENT BIDEN: Well, it was. And I remember how I got in trouble — we were friends even back then — when I said — years ago, as a senator, I said, “You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist.” I’m a Zionist.
He starts the story there, but literally just trails off
That was only 9 days ago tho…
Is that recent enough?
Do you want more?
The US supports Israel so that Israel can stop Iran from becoming a bigger threat.
Why would Iran be a threat to Israel and the US? Could it be because of violently overthrowing the democrwtically elected leader and installing a puppet that murdered and tortured his people with US and Israeli aid for 30 years, so the US could steal oil from Iran?
Naah, why would anyone feel offended by this? Clearly they are just evil and don’t like bald eagles…
Also the US doesnt give a shit about Iran specifically. The US needs Israel as the rusty knife in the side of West Asia to sow division among the Arab and muslim nations. If they were to get rid of their corrupted leaders and Israel they could quickly grow to a power bloc that can’t be pushed around anymore.
The US needed perpetual war and instability in the Region. And Israel is a good means to instigate that. Meanwhile Europe suffers greatly from the US instability workings.
Iran qnd Israel shared “warm ties” while the Shah was in power as a western puppet. His internal police was trained and worked together with Mossad and CIA to torture murder and dissappear tens of thousands of people.
The moment things changed is pretty straight forward. When the revolution kicked out the Western puppet. Unfortunately the revolutionary moment was seized by the theocrats who now also run an opressive regime.
You deliberately left out the paragraph right before that explaining all of this.
Motivated by the periphery doctrine, Imperial Iran and Israel had close relations, seeing Arab powers as a common threat. After the 1979 Islamic revolution, Iran cut off relations, but covert ties continued during the subsequent Iran–Iraq War. Iran trained and armed Hezbollah during Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon, and continued to back Shia militias throughout the Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon.[27] Even before 1979, Iranian Islamists had materially supported the Palestinians; after 1979 Iran attempted relations with the Palestine Liberation Organization, and later with Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas. Israel fought a war with Hezbollah in 2006. Israel has fought several wars with Palestinians in and around the Gaza Strip: in 2008-2009, 2012, 2014, 2021 and 2023–2024. The 1982 Lebanon War and Israel–Hamas war have been the deadliest wars of the Arab–Israeli conflict.[28]
I didn’t deliberately leave it out. I just didn’t see a point in including it. I was sharing this info in response to this comment of yours:
Why would Iran be a threat to Israel and the US? Could it be because of violently overthrowing the democrwtically elected leader and installing a puppet that murdered and tortured his people with US and Israeli aid for 30 years, so the US could steal oil from Iran?
To point out that Iran was a threat to Israel long after the coup to remove Mohammad Mossadegh that you seemed to be referring to:
I’m becoming increasingly convinced that Israel either has blackmail on Biden or that somehow every damn conspiracy theory about them (Israel, not jewish people at large) controlling the US is actually true.
They either have Biden by the short hairs, or some kind of leverage that gives them the US Executive Branch by the short hairs.
The US supports Israel so that Israel can prevent Iran from growing in power and take control of the region.
Really more of internal US politics than World, but the Biden justification of emboldening Hamas is enough to justify it.
Better suited to Politics though.
It’s about if a major world power will continue funding a genocide on the other side of the globe…
Unless you’re making a joke that Israel is the 51st state, but even then, the people Israel is committing genocide against with US weapons aren’t American.
It’s obviously a larger issue than just America.
No, it’s about Biden arguing against a proposed policy from a United States Senator.
This is all internal US Politics, but Biden’s justification is suficiently global.
No, it’s about Biden arguing against a proposed policy from a United States Senator
Foreign policy…
Foreign policy, but Biden arguing against Sanders is Internal US Politics.
This thread is politics in a nutshell.
The hair splitting will continue until morale improves
Doubling down on the wrong side of history.
Biden is really focusing on the core issues right now /s
Student Loans are fixed!
This is how he wants to go out? Hand in hand with his fascist war criminal buddies? What a fucking joke.
