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The administration claimed that blocking arms transfers would embolden Hamas — ignoring Israel’s genocidal slaughter.
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Just get out, Biden. The sooner you’re out the sooner we can get Trump’s mess over with.
That is not how this works.
I see, you support genocide. Good to know.
Nothing you’ve said here makes sense. Biden can’t start Trump’s term early. Just because you feel morally correct doesn’t mean rationality goes out the window. Baseless finger pointing about genocide is an extremely stupid move. Do better.
The crats are too stupid to see thats why people stayed at home instead of voting for harris.
It failed on the floor, but got an impressive 18 votes, I think. Done.
All Republicans voted against it.
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That was guaranteed, the Democrats that voted against it is the important part; these are the people to campaign against and vote out.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1182/vote_118_2_00292.htm
But I’d suggest supporting the yay votes, rather than punishing the nays. Those progressive seats are the ones the DNC will try to primary, and they’ll need campaign donation help next cycle.
look at this long list of fucking total human
disgracesturds.Still gonna email my displeasure to my senators.
Sure, then you can have Republicans replace them and be assured it never comes up for a vote at all. The logic is outstanding.
The logic is outstanding.
You mean the logic of just ignoring that primaries exist in order to prop op the false dichotomy that led to losing all parts of the government to a literal fascist party?
Yeah, your logic IS outstandingly bad.
Republicans will not allow a vote on the floor to limit Israeli arms. Democrats did. Simple
Again falsely assuming that the only Democrats possible are the crappy Republican Lite Neoliberals that lost everything to the fascists 🙄
Again, assuming your views are shared by the majority of Americans. Hint: they’re not
This you?
Fact is that yours is the majority opinion of the rich donors and their pet politicians, but mine is the majority opinion of the people in general.
So its gone from you cant vote third party to now you cant even even vote for democrats who don’t support genocide?
How are you still making this argument? I hope you’re a bot, because if that’s a human brain behind these words that’s depressing.
Voting-oriented do nothing liberals are just waiting with their thumbs up their asses for one more chance to vote for the “lesser evil” Democrats who are worse than the “greater evil” Republicans of 20 years ago.
I don’t want to hear any more complaints from liberals until they fucking get out in the streets and actually take meaningful political actions that matter. Voting is nothing now, don’t you see? If enough of you cowards joined the left in being anti-genocide, if enough of you joined protests and riots and strikes and actual direct action, if enough of you considered voting to be the bare minimum and not the entirety of your civic duty, then and only then would we actually see any improvement.
I’m sick of hearing about how people didn’t vote properly. get the fuck out there and take real action. If not now, when?
You’re the people standing idly by and enabling the greatest evils. You’re the ones future generations will be asking about when they say “why didn’t anyone do anything?”
Nobody is going to talk about a minority of leftists choosing not to vote pro-genocide. They’re all going to be talking about do nothing cowardly Democrats watching their country go to shit because voting is the only thing they consider political action.
Stop punching left. Join us on the left and punch back. You fucking idiots.
The only answer of the DNC and their apparatchiks every time their 1992 strategy fails:
Looking good on that soap box. Time to run, I think.
Keep running, that’s my point. You’re useless now and will be for at least 4 years. Leave the work to the grown ups
Edit: Oh my God I think he means running for office. He literally can’t imagine political action outside of elections. Libs gonna lib.
A Senate term is 6 years. Before a run it might be good for the grown ups to check the particulars.
This is barely relevant, was it worth licking the cheeto dust off your fingers?
Exactly. There’s going to be a lot of calls for Democrats to eat each other in the next 4 years.
The term of a Senator is 6 years. You’ve got at least a decade to wait.
For some, that time is coming. Come nov 2026 midterms all class 2 senators are up for reelection (and then class 3 in 2028). While there are more Republicans up at that point than Democrats, the strategy will be the same, and many of those Republican seats seem pretty safe.
And Republicans will never allow the Senate to vote on arms supply to Israel. It’s really that simple.
Yep. And trolls will paint this as “both sides the same.” I wonder if Trump will get a “genocide” moniker?
everyone under 40: Why send arms to Israel?
everyone over 40: 😐
Nope. I’m 41 and as appalled by the atrocities of the fascist apartheid regime as most people on the left.
It’s a Left/Right and principles/realpolitik divide rather than one based on age.
Especially now that Joe Rogan and troglodytes like him are winning millions of young voters over to fascism with their false demagoguery and misinformation disguised as entertainment and “hearing out both sides”.
Remember when people got mad at you for calling him Genocide Joe?
They still do. They’re just even less justified than they used to be.
Clearly at least some of the Democrats are a Nazi as the Republicans.
some? looking at the results about %90
Of Democrat Politicians, sure.
Of Democrat Supporters, it’s almost the opposite - if I remember it correctly over 70% of Democrat Supporters were against what Israel is doing in a poll not that long ago.
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Ahah can you see the dirty political censorship going on here. This was just a post saying we should not trust the US as an ally and sanction the shit out of them like we did to russia.
For fucks sake. There’s fucking arrest warrants and Biden still can’t follow our own laws about not sending military aid to war criminals.
Godfuckingdammit
USA does not recognize the ICC which has issued the arrest warrant.
That doesn’t make the evidence not exist.
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Just an observation, I hope Ukraine can make it through all this, but when this war started news was non stop how Russia was falling on their face and losing thousands of troops and equipment.
Now that trump won news is non stop Ukraine is losing ground and will fall without aid.
This is why Americans are so disillusioned with all this. The propaganda machine can’t stick to a narrative and makes people feel like everything is fake. The media in this country is so fucked and a big reason why people are so uninformed.
That is no accident. The propaganda machine is perfectly tuned. Even where it appear crude and let us believe that we see through it.
They were. In the early parts of the war. They’ve learned and adapted and currently outpace Ukrainians in arms, men, and doctrine.
Okay real talk? The Russians were falling on their face. Unfortunately they have the manpower and material to learn on the job. And that’s exactly what they’ve been doing. The big Russian gains recently also came during the 9 month drought the GOP inflicted on Ukraine’s weapons shipments.
So now there’s a situation where Ukrainian recruitment is down, Ukrainian manpower on the front line is below optimal, the Russians have re-learned how to actually do an assault, and the Russians have recently resupplied and reinforced via North Korea.
The situation did legitimately change.
Democrats are not a real party, it’s just controlled opposition at this point.
Funny. That’s what I hear republicans called
Two sides of the same coin.
Pretty much. Most candidates from both parties are bought by AIPAC as well as other lobbies. We have an oligarchy.
Washington Generals.
What do you mean?
The Washington Generals are the team that loses to the Harlem Globetrotters. They’re part of the show.
Ahh hahaha
Shocking absolutely nobody, there’s a deafening silence from the blue MAGA brigade that, pre-election, kept crying about how not supporting Israel 100% would sink the Democrats’ chances of winning 100% and that Trump would do oh so much worse. Democrats have already lost the election, and now they double down on a losing policy when they literally have nothing at stake.
The only difference between a Biden and a Trump administration for Palestine is the speed at which things occur. Biden is fundamentally onboard with the same genocidal policies as Trump is willing to support.
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the election did not represent all of us in the US since there is a segment of the population that is not allowed to vote
This isn’t even for our safety; most conflicts aren’t. Best I can gather, this is all about regional influence and geopolitical brownie points that don’t matter to all but the ruling class
No, it is about donor money. AIPAC.
Biden has received more aipac money than any other us politician in history.
That’s literally all it is.
Our political system is literally corrupt.
He just insists on that stupid black mark on his soul. Jesus Christ, Joe.
Could be using his last days on something constructive, or to earn lower and midde class trust back. Instread why not one last war crime for the road.
Which war crime are you referencing the Biden is committing?
Aiding and abetting crimes against humanity by supplying weapons and funds while knowing EXACTLY what they’re being used for.
I understand the argument and I completely disagree with sending any support to Israel so they can continue genociding Palestinians. Is what you’re referencing actually a thing though. I understand aiding and abetting, I just don’t know if that actually makes it criminal in the actual written law.
Yes, it does both in international and US domestic law
Multiple provisions in U.S. law restrict the sale or provision of weapons to other countries, including the federal Arms Export Control Act, the Foreign Assistance Act, and the Leahy Law. The open letter draws on evidence from Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and other watchdogs to argue that continuing to provide weapons to Israel blatantly violates these laws, in addition to international treaties.
Thank you for that. I am aware of these and I don’t see anywhere that dictates war crimes as the OP suggested. I understand the criminality but that doesn’t mean war crime.
I was just trying to point out that screaming war crime at everything is not necessary.
US weapons are being used for war crimes tho? The US is providing military aid unconditionally, knowing full well they are being used to violate humanitarian international law. The State providing the unconditional means for another state to commit war crimes is just as culpable as the state committing the war crimes.
I sell some one a gun that I know they’re going to commit murder with. I know all the details; who, what, where, why, and when.
Am I guilty of murder?
Yes. The answer is yes.
Do you not know how to read or are you then literally choosing to not reply in good faith to what you are reading. Either way that is toxic af and you know it.
It is literally and by definition, a war crime.
have you lost count
That’s not an answer.
Yes but I’m not obligated to provide you one.
I’m not looking for a legal debate or sealioning or any other drawn out conversation about this topic.
Some things that are noteworthy are that the United States is violating its own laws as pointed out by Sanders, and the ICC just put out warrants for Netenyahu and Gallant, so whether or not we debate the particulars Biden is involved in those crimes
Breaking US law does not equal a war crime as OP suggested.
If you ever want to name an actual war crime, I’ll get the notification.
I’ll name the war crime, and you could too if you did a google search for it.
We’re bound by the geneva conventions, that we did sign, and the articles regarding complicity in genocide wre in the signed articles. So yes, it is US law.
"According to Article 1 of the Genocide Convention, the Contracting Parties, including the United States and Israel, must prevent and punish acts of genocide. Under Article III, those punishable acts include “Complicity in genocide,” such as by knowingly providing the deadly weapons used to carry it out. In 2007, the International Court of Justice (ICJ), in a case involving Bosnia and Serbia, established that the obligation to refrain from providing weapons or other assistance begins the moment a state becomes aware of the existence of a serious risk that genocide may be committed.
For the Biden administration, that moment came in January, when the ICJ found that there was a “plausible” risk of genocide being committed in Gaza against the Palestinian people by Israel."
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/biden-complicity-genocide/
Holy shit, a real answer and not just some snarky bullshit response!
Thanks for actually taking the time to engage. I’m not being disingenuous. OP just said their was a “pile of war crimes”.
So is “the pile of war crimes” are all regarding the sale of weapons?
Heyyyy there’s that bullshit I was talking about… Why don’t you keep busy by writing an essay about how Putin’s war is illegal but Biden’s genocide is A-OK because it’s just not from the champagne region of Russia.
I’ll get the notification
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I thought Lemmy was against the death penalty.
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Are you capable of saying “Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza”? If so, say it now.
Sure but that is not what was said.
Just one? There’s still a few months left.
Pure idiocy at this point.
The first thing Democrats do when making a firing line is form a circle, and that’s by design not incompetence.
